at the UN last year he did say: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/09/24/remarks-president-obama-address-united-nations-general-assembly
"It is one of the tasks of all great religions to accommodate devout faith with a modern, multicultural world. No children are born hating, and no children—anywhere—should be educated to hate other people. There should be no more tolerance of so-called clerics who call upon people to harm innocents because they’re Jewish, or because they’re Christian, or because they’re Muslim. It is time for a new compact among the civilized peoples of this world to eradicate war at its most fundamental source, and that is the corruption of young minds by violent ideology."
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link
He's always droning on huh
― MONKEY had been BUMMED by the GHOST of the late prancing paedophile (darraghmac), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link
jeff goldberg on the topic (and sorry i won't spam this thread w/ more links on this subject/ just wanted to get this off my chest):
And while it is true that Muslim leaders and organizations, in the U.S. and elsewhere, do, in fact, condemn extremism, many do not condemn all forms of extremism and violence, and many remain far too tolerant of Saudi-funded and trained imams in their communities. I’ve argued for 15 years that, in addition to being morally reprehensible in its own right, organized Muslim extremist violence against Israelis, and against other geographically specific enemies of extremist Muslims, is a kind of gateway drug to the broader use of tactics such as suicide bombing. It was 15 years ago, in Cairo, that I had an argument with Amr Moussa, who was then Egypt’s foreign minister, about widespread Muslim support for mass terrorism, particularly suicide bombings, directed at innocent Israelis. I made the argument to Moussa that tactics used against Israelis would one day be used by Muslims against other Muslims. It seemed obvious to me, but not to him. Sometimes I’m wrong, but I wasn’t wrong then.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link
Where this always falls down is on what people are actually expected to do. There is no structured 'Muslim community' in any country i'm aware of. There might be a Somali community, an Iranian community or a Turkish community but no overarching organisation or leadership to unite them. Even that is a stretch given hot atomised contemporary urban society is. How do Muslims remove 'Saudi-funded clerics' from their local areas if the police and government can't? It's something that came up time and again in my local area with a mosque that was later linked to all sorts of dubious stuff - people stopped going, complained to the authorities, etc, but there's not much else that they can do beyond that. It took the police about ten years to catch up.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 20:19 (eight years ago) link
I think that's Obama's argument, right? That change in a diverse group of communities that may foster radicalism has to come from within because it can't be imposed from without?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
It can't really be "imposed" from within though. For the most part, it looks like the people getting sucked into terrorism are already on the fringes of, or removed from, whichever communities they might have once been part of.
― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link
Jeffrey Goldberg is a moron. "would one day be used against other Muslims" -- they have been used against other Muslims for about as long as they have been used at all.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link
lol I knew that was going to be in the Atlantic before I clicked it too. What a shitty media outlet that has become.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
many do not condemn all forms of extremism and violence
this is true of everybody tho
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link
many remain far too tolerant of Saudi-funded and trained imams in their communities
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 20:44 (eight years ago) link
I think there are problems w/ arming the KSA (cf Yemen) but I don't getting fighter jets from Boeing encouraged/enabled them to support Wahhabism abroad. Ultimately they're a military ally of the US /and/ they need to stop exporting radicalism.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, don't think that'll ever happen with this regime. Too dependent on the clerics, too corrupt to live up to the tenets otherwise. Really, depending on SA as THE regional muslim ally means accepting them exporting radicalism.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 22:37 (eight years ago) link
out of weird curiousity earlier today i downloaded a chrome extension called "do you sound like a nazi?" that replaces all instances of Muslim/Islam/etc on a news page with Jew/Judaism/etc--to make the kind of obvious and obfuscating point that a lot of anti-Muslim rhetoric would sound at home in Hitler's Germany. it's a little silly and i forgot i had it on.
anyway, here's how Mordy's anecdote appeared to me
my brother and I (as well as a few other Jewish friends of ours) used to attend a local poker game at a bar that was organized by a non-observant, non-practicing Jew gentleman who was very sweet until he drunk one night and started talking all kinds of horrible shit about Jews and Israel (and yes, about both - it was during chanukah last year and he was going on about how Jewish holidays are bullshit). me and my brother have gone back once or twice since but none of our other friends have. i don't mean to extrapolate this to every Jew bc everyone is an individual but my impression is that antisemitism /and/ anti-Zionism are pretty prevalent and i'd love to hear that there's something being done to fight it (as opposed to apologetics about why it's natural + understandable). idk i was loathe to bring this up bc it feels a bit like hobbyhorsing but idk i think it's important and when Obama talks about Jew communities fighting extremism that's the first thing I think of.― Mordy, Tuesday, December 8, 2015 7:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mordy, Tuesday, December 8, 2015 7:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i was extremely confused.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 04:55 (eight years ago) link
(((in case it's not clear in my post i'm just saying mordy's post becomes incomprehensible/funny))))
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 04:58 (eight years ago) link
That's super weird, because I had "do I sound like a steendriver?" turned on when I read your post and totally forgot, lol.
my brother and I (as well as a few other HOOSish friends of ours) used to attend a local poker game at a bar that was organized by a non-observant, non-practicing HOOS gentleman who was very sweet until he drunk one night and started talking all kinds of horrible shit about HOOS and Israel (and yes, about both - it was during chanukah last year and he was going on about how HOOSish holidays are bullshit). me and my brother have gone back once or twice since but none of our other friends have. i don't mean to extrapolate this to every HOOS bc everyone is an individual but my impression is that antisteenitism /and/ anti-Zionism are pretty prevalent and i'd love to hear that there's something being done to fight it (as opposed to apologetics about why it's natural + understandable). idk i was loathe to bring this up bc it feels a bit like hobbyhorsing but idk i think it's important and when Obama talks about HOOS communities fighting extremism that's the first thing I think of.― BIG MORDY, Tuesday, December 8, 2015 7:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 05:29 (eight years ago) link
a non-observant, non-practicing HOOS gentleman who was very sweet until he drunk one night and started talking all kinds of horrible shit about HOOS
me irl
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 17:52 (eight years ago) link
ok sorry done derailing
nobody sounds like a steendriver, NOBODY
― j., Wednesday, 9 December 2015 22:01 (eight years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/10/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting.html?module=Notification&version=BreakingNews®ion=FixedTop&action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=55660514&pgtype=Homepage&_r=0
Bearded, unkempt and cuffed at the legs and arms, Mr. Dear frequently disrupted the proceedings in state court here, shouting out declarations of anger and defiance.
“I’m guilty. There’s no trial. I’m a warrior for the babies,” he yelled at one point. “Let it all come out. The truth!” he yelled at another.
― j., Wednesday, 9 December 2015 22:02 (eight years ago) link
^Is Dear secretly ODB
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 22:23 (eight years ago) link
hates women, loves babies: GOP 2016
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 22:26 (eight years ago) link
http://basementrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/dead-zone-ending-greg-stillson-holds-baby-as-shield-brooke-adams-charlie-sheen.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 22:29 (eight years ago) link
now now lets not jump to conclusions and assume this was politically motivated
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link
Police have a dude with gun surrounded at Arkansas State U. I don't call him a 'shooter' because I guess he forgot to do the shooting part
― UYD: Oxys, Percs, Vics, Addys, Rit-Dogs and Xannys (sunny successor), Thursday, 10 December 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link
active gun holder
― j., Thursday, 10 December 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link
blessed american citizen u mean
― Nhex, Thursday, 10 December 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link
Looking forward to lots of incidents like this with open carry coming to the UT Austin campus
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Thursday, 10 December 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link
if i saw someone (other than police) w/ a gun pretty much anywhere except a shooting range i would
- get the hell away- call police
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 10 December 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link
Are there still assholes who open carry assault rifles in supermarkets and stuff? What is standard operating procedure if you encounter one of them? Just leave? Complain and leave? Leave then complain?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 December 2015 21:08 (eight years ago) link
Shoot 'em obv
― kevin smith what a bro (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 10 December 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
imo
https://media.giphy.com/media/11gC4odpiRKuha/giphy.gif
― nomar, Thursday, 10 December 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link
ideally people would follow them around taking video/pictures and then posting them all over the place with the caption "look at this asshole"
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 10 December 2015 21:21 (eight years ago) link
yeah, depending
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_John_Crawford_III
― j., Thursday, 10 December 2015 21:24 (eight years ago) link
since i spend a lot of time worrying about hypotheticals, i sometimes wonder what i would do if a student brought an open-carry gun to class. it's a legal grey area: the state allows open-carry anywhere, but the campus has a no-guns-in-campus-buildings policy. but even beyond the legal stuff, i just don't want to me in any room with a gun, and i'd probably just have to dismiss class and go home.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 10 December 2015 21:45 (eight years ago) link
Don't we as citizens have some sort of right to personal safety? You can't bring an attack dog around with you, you can't carry around a torch ... can't you express concern for your personal safety?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 December 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link
But someone might call you PC
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 December 2015 22:19 (eight years ago) link
you can't carry around a torch
http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/weeping-angel-statue-of-liberty.jpg
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 10 December 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link
i only carry torches for old girlfriends /creepier-in-this-context
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 10 December 2015 23:04 (eight years ago) link
haven't encountered open carry in tx yet (though i think it's the an option now) always intended to call the police whenever i see anyone openly carrying BC fuck them they deserve the hassle
― INTOXICATING LIQUORS (art), Thursday, 10 December 2015 23:11 (eight years ago) link
I see guys with sidearms pretty frequently in Idaho because it's fucking Idaho. Never anyone carrying rifles or shotguns but lots of holstered pistols. There's actually a BBQ place that I like that has this on their website:
Do you offer an open carry discount?Yes. Since opening in 2010 we have offered a 10% discount if you open carry a handgun (please no long guns of any kind.)Before we opened up, we knew we wanted to offer this as an incentive to folks who carry guns. We wanted to offer this friendly invitation to fellow members of the firearms community since not all businesses are always ‘carry friendly’. While it may turn some heads and has sparked some interesting conversations, it has also brought CD’s a variety of very cool, very friendly regular customers. Don’t worry – all of our gun-toting fans display responsibility and safety! If you’re ever in & would like to know more about this policy or firearms related information in general, feel free to ask!
Before we opened up, we knew we wanted to offer this as an incentive to folks who carry guns. We wanted to offer this friendly invitation to fellow members of the firearms community since not all businesses are always ‘carry friendly’. While it may turn some heads and has sparked some interesting conversations, it has also brought CD’s a variety of very cool, very friendly regular customers. Don’t worry – all of our gun-toting fans display responsibility and safety! If you’re ever in & would like to know more about this policy or firearms related information in general, feel free to ask!
― joygoat, Friday, 11 December 2015 01:20 (eight years ago) link
Don't we as citizens have some sort of right to personal safety?
If we proposed it as the Everyone-Must-Buy-Kevlar amendment then maybe
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 11 December 2015 02:45 (eight years ago) link
You only have a right to safety if it's delivered by a vigilante in a fedora
― Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Friday, 11 December 2015 03:11 (eight years ago) link
with wing sauce on the holster
― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 December 2015 03:33 (eight years ago) link
"the firearms community"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 11 December 2015 09:47 (eight years ago) link
Firearm-American
― stay presst harsh fellow (m bison), Friday, 11 December 2015 11:35 (eight years ago) link
first generation firemans can't assimilate
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 11 December 2015 13:43 (eight years ago) link
er firearms.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 December 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
Did they ever find that guy?
― how's life, Friday, 11 December 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link
If the news was about doing follow-up it would be called the old news.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 December 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link