Star Wars 7 shit talk

only on the goddamn internet can a mostly shitty, decade-old movie that made almost a billion dollars be labeled "TRAGICALLY underrated"

It's not a tedious mess, it's Verfremdungseffekt!

what's almost as absurd is people willing to call Empire, the best of the movies, "great."

It's a film starring MARK HAMILL.

There's a lot of truth in that tbh

what's almost as absurd is people willing to call Empire, the best of the movies, "great."

It's a film starring MARK HAMILL.

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius),

yeah I know I say the same thing about movies starring Gary Cooper

i've come around to the idea that Cooper is good at well-written comedy! eg Design for Living, Ball of Fire

i saw Mark Hamill do a comedy on Broadway btw, which i'd completely forgotten about til this very minute!

http://www.ibdb.com/Production/View/4445

omigod, Hamill was a replacement Mozart in the Broadway production of Amadeus

only on the goddamn internet can a mostly shitty, decade-old movie that made almost a billion dollars be labeled "TRAGICALLY underrated"

― Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, December 16, 2015 9:08 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it's true that actually finding this "tragic" is absurd, but it's possible for a film to be very successful and also underrated in certain circles.

i was just reading about how the intelligentsia looked down on fritz lang's films in the 1920s -- making a lot of the same complaints that a snob like jonathan rosenbaum (who i admire as a critic!) would later make about STAR WARS--i.e. that the subjects were puerile, the treatment hypercaffeinated, the whole thing unedifying, etc. (btw there's a lot of Lang in STAR WARS, I think -- and probably more NIBELUNGEN than i'd like to admit in the prequels.)

i posted above a link to a very thoughtful (a lengthy by blog standards) defense of the prequels by Roderick Heath.

i got my issues w/ gary cooper too, but he is pretty great in MAN OF THE WEST

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and i do have a fair amount of respect for the /ambitions/ of the prequels. it's all rather impressive if you consider it in the abstract. unfortunately, unlike Heath, i find that Lucas pretty consistently fails to capitalize on his best ideas, and the prequels are a riot of narrative and stylistic misjudgements.

Well its mostly the "tragic" that i am harumphing at but tbrr imo none of the star wars films are great movies even as genre. They are well world built and innovative and considerate of core storytelling technique and historical saga and film history but the acting is generally terrible and the scripts are abhorrent. Viewed sans nostalgia they are mostly notable for ahead-of-their-time sfx and brilliant design... And the prequel trilogy doesnt even do those things well.

And i say this as a genx boba fett halloween mask wearer and as someone who loves scifi genre flicks when theyre done well.

wtf you guys'll be shitting on Randolph Scott next

Surely you mean Randolph Scat

let's not bring Cary Grant into it

pretty sure Randolph Scott brought him into him

the vulnerable, recruitable youth

http://decider.com/2015/12/11/the-radicalization-of-luke-skywalker-a-jedis-path-to-jihad/

"The Empire’s accidental harming of Luke’s Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen can be directly compared to the casualties of President Obama’s drone campaign, whose body count terrorists capitalize upon for recruitment."

Collateral damage (poor jawas don't even merit a mention).

accidental

It's ace. Plenty of massive goosebump moments and lots of fun. Main gripes would be a few too many fan service moments and I won't go into the other one because of spoilers.

Saw it in 2D and can't really see what 3D would have added to the experience.

Someone should start a spoilerific thread for the movie, maybe?

Star Wars 7 Spoilers Thread: This SPOIL bath is going to feel so good.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/16/star-wars-the-force-awakens-may-the-force-just-do-one-and-why-star-bores-need-to-just-grow-up-5569260/

Star Wars The Force Awakens: May The Force just do one – or why Star bores need to just grow up
Paul Connolly

I’ve had enough of this puerile Star Wars hysteria.

Grown men and women have actually been blubbing – over social media, natch – about the impending release of Star Wars: The Force Awakens.

Don’t believe me? ‘I basically saw my childhood culminate in front of me and I just wanted to cry at times,’ tweeted one chap of arrested development recently, in praise of the movie trailer.

And there was this, from a female: ‘Saw a Star Wars trailer for the first time on cable and no I’m not crying it’s just – OK, yeah, I’m crying.’

Oh, good grief, do give it a rest.

But it gets worse. Never one to keep his inner child on a leash, Star Trek’s star Simon Pegg last week called the much-criticised Star Wars prequels ‘infanticide’.

For a second I thought the fanboy’s fanboy had seen the light, had realised that his endless obsession with comic books, superheroes and the like should have been left in adolescence. I really thought he’d said ‘infantile’.

But no, he was comparing a few harmless films aimed at kids to the murder of a child.

Instead of showing signs of late-blossoming maturity, Pegg has regressed even further.

MORE: Here’s how you can see Star Wars: The Force Awakens for free and before anyone else

May The Force just do one...
May The Force just do one…
Let’s get something straight here. Star Wars is a movie franchise aimed at children. It’s not great art.

Hell, it’s barely even adequate art. It’s just a business enterprise aimed squarely at relieving children’s parents of their money. That’s it.

There are no hidden truths, no attempts at insight into what it is to be human. It’s just an action series with great CGI.

And that’s fine, really, it is. For kids anyway.

I enjoyed watching Star Wars when I was a child. My dad even bought me the soundtrack. But by the time I was 13 or 14, I’d moved on. I was growing up, so I wanted something to get my teeth into, something to make me think.

Star Wars didn’t make me think.

It was the same for Doctor Who. Loved it when I was ten; hugely embarrassed by it before I was 16.

If you’re still thrilled by Star Wars or Doctor Who (or even Harry Potter) by the time you’re out of your teens, you need to take a long, hard look at yourself.

This entertainment is for children. You’re an adult. It really is time to grow up.

please don't feed trolls

Obvious click bait but his life must be one long, thrilling roller coaster ride.

'natch'

This rud nua of posting the link and then the whole fucking article anyways, let alone sans comment, idk.

That guy is so pure. I really admire him.

Oh my god, those females with their crying.

I'm not even sure I really took the film in properly, I was just so relieved it wasn't shit.

I mean, the thing about the guy who wrote that article is that he really seems to have it all figured out. He seems so content and...I dunno, whole? Like a fully-actualized person, completely devoid of ego. He seems like he'd be fun to hang out with. In a totally adult way, of course.

If you're ranting and raving about how other people's taste in entertainment is WRONG, maybe it's time to etc etc.

to realize they're lost for good

have we talked about the "empire are really the good guys and luke is a radicalized terrorist" theories yet? i read a few articles on the topic that i found provocative.

So apparently Stefan and Jean-Ralphio provided the vocalizations for BB-8.

i'm confident i could predict 90% of the 'spoilers' for this product

apparently the local imax theater at the science center is one of eighteen theaters showing the force awakens in 70mm

the 70mm upscaling process (for stuff not shot in 70mm) can make action scenes look really wonky ime as a 70mm projectionist

yeah, i don't see the point of it for sumthin shot digitally.

this wasn't shot digitally iirc

shot on 35mm, yeah

part of the film was shot in 70mm imax format

yup!

and plenty of films shot in 35mm look ace projected in 70mm

that said, i don't know what the digital post was like on this one... if it was in 4k, i'm not sure 70mm would matter too much. however for a film of this expense i imagine they could have gone full fincher and done post in 6k

still waiting on my copy of american cinematographer to find out the answers to these world-historical questions

important film questions to be addressed

Just hope jj is bringing the wipes...or is that the editor's domain?

"Everybody better bring the wipes to the pants-shittingly good Star Wars 7." - Peter Travers

"J.J. Abrams' rollercoaster wham dinger of a movie is guaranteed to melt your heart and soil your undies."

Presumably some sort of side effect of melty heart

read those last couple aloud in the car on the way back to work from lunch. "wham dinger" went over really well.