Pazz and Jop.

1. Read poll results
2. Click on entries you like
3. Click on the names of the people who voted for the things you like
4. Check out the other things they voted for that you don't know
5. Remember the names of the new things you found that you liked
5. Remember the names of the people who voted for things you didn't know but liked after you listened to them

i just wrote more or less the exact same thing and missed it by five seconds

it would be nice if they had bios, step 3 can turn into a dead end.

http://lmgtfy.com/

i just click on the first blue writing i see and hope that eventually music will start playing

the conversation

2012: "maybe don't vote in this, guys"
2013: "don't fucking vote in this, you amoral fucks"
2014: "if you vote in this or give it any attention you are literally satan"
2015: "why is no one talking about this???"

touche. seriously, that works great if it's say Annie Zaleski, but kind of a black hole if it's James Bradley.
plus I gotta check and make sure they didn't vote for FJM.

So Greg Tate (who participated in the pnael discussion) and a number of others are also doing writing now for the revived MTV music news website...hmmmm

I didn't get a ballot this year so one reason for lower numbers must be omissions in the mailout. Unless they have a particular grudge against me this year, which I'm not ruling out.

the ballot also had glitches (it didn't work at all on chrome)

Shout out to Universal Music B.V. (of the Netherlands), listed as Dornik's label, even though I entered the label name that appears on the copy I purchased.

Obviously no "The Personals" section this year--random comments from voters. If that's because they didn't have enough comments submitted, or enough that they thought were usable, I can understand that--maybe that section will be back next year. If they've dropped it because of space limitations, or because they feel the world needed another essay on poptimism (which, in fairness, I haven't read--and won't), then from my vantage point, that's lousy. Checking to see if anything of mine made it in has been the sole interest of the poll for at least the last 15 years. The results mean less than nothing.

I'm guessing it was space limitations.

The Poptimism essay read like a direct response to the Chris R*chards Washington Post piece where he suggested that poptimism had become an excuse for fluff reviews/coverage of pop stars.

I thought the piece was certainly better than the genius.com one that barely addressed any of the criticisms of the company.

Obviously no "The Personals" section this year--random comments from voters.

Bummer. That was always my favorite part of pazz and jop.

the ballot also had glitches (it didn't work at all on chrome)

Jesus! No wonder no one voted.

Whiney tweet on that genius.com story is worth reading

Uh, I somehow got it to work in chrome I think. But yep was nervous whether it worked.

Glenn: There should be two more votes, if I'm not mistaken, for Erykah Badu's "Cel U Lar Device" bc they were credited as "Hotline Bling (Remix)" (these are the same track)

I admit that I didn't know that. Will fix.

Fixed on my site. Will get the Voice to update theirs, too. The Gods of Accuracy appreciate our efforts. Probably.

the ballot also had glitches (it didn't work at all on chrome)
Jesus! No wonder no one voted.

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:55 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i submitted my ballot on Chrome and it was counted fwiw

you sure there was no problem with it, it seems like there's a Walk the Moon song that turned up in your singles ballot

dog i voted for "Hey Soul Sister," just try and shame me about this

Obviously no "The Personals" section this year--random comments from voters. If that's because they didn't have enough comments submitted, or enough that they thought were usable, I can understand that--maybe that section will be back next year. If they've dropped it because of space limitations, or because they feel the world needed another essay on poptimism (which, in fairness, I haven't read--and won't), then from my vantage point, that's lousy. Checking to see if anything of mine made it in has been the sole interest of the poll for at least the last 15 years. The results mean less than nothing.

― clemenza, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 20:27 (Yesterday) Permalink

I noticed the lack of Personals, too, but I wonder whether it would make sense to keep running that in an era when anyone could blog or tweet 'em or FB 'em or include them in whatever publication they happen to contribute to. Though I DO remember a time when honing and submitting Personals was a huge, huge deal - doesn't seem so long ago.

It makes sense in that we might see a comment by someone we didn't know of or might not think to google.

by the time ballot submission day comes around I am too despondent about writing and the thought of doing it to ever do *more*

("ever" lasts until january, unless it doesn't, but it really should)

Some clarification on why that Personals section was always important to me. I actually do very little music writing through the year nowadays--some for my homepage, very rarely for some other online project. So I always tried to include a lot of commentary with my Top 10; invariably, it's the first time I'm writing about most of my choices. It was always exciting, even almost 20 years after I first voted, to get a comment or two into that section. And it looks like it's probably gone for good now.

Yeah, that section was fun.

A kind of "favourites" metric for the lower reaches, showing the best placing for albums that received <= a given number of mentions:

Best with <= 30 mentions: The Weeknd, Beauty Behind the Madness (312/30)
Best with <= 29 mentions: v/a, Hamilton (Original Broadway Cast Recording) (309/24)
Best with <= 23 mentions: Dawn Richard, Blackheart (256/23)
Best with <= 22 mentions: Mbongwana Star, From Kinshasa (220/20)
Best with <= 19 mentions: Jazmine Sullivan, Reality Show (192/18)
Best with <= 17 mentions: Royal Headache, High (182/15)
Best with <= 14 mentions: Future, 56 Nights (151/12)
Best with <= 11 mentions: Julien Baker, Sprained Ankle (120/11)
Best with <= 10 mentions: Susanne Sundfør, Ten Love Songs (115/10)
Best with <= 9 mentions: Joan Shelley, Over and Even (110/9)
Best with <= 8 mentions: John Grant, Grey Tickles, Black Pressure (97/8)
Best with <= 7 mentions: Beauty Pill, Beauty Pill Describes Things As They Are (87/6)
Best with <= 5 mentions: Faith No More, Sol Invictus (67/5)
Best with <= 4 mentions: Marilyn Manson, The Pale Emperor (66/4)
Best with <= 3 mentions: Irène Schweizer & Han Bennink, Welcome Back (49/3)
Best with <= 2 mentions: Dodheimsgard, A Umbra Omega (45/2)

3 of my top 4 are in that metric ;_; (and the 4th can't be too far off)

Sullivan, Richard and who else Lex? I'm curious

susanne sundfør

(plus, angel haze was my #2 and i was the sole voter)

minus the weeknd, that's a very ilx list

Wish I'd checked Hamilton! Rare to see so much p&j interest in a cast recording. I did vote for Mbongwana Star. Jazmine Sullivan's album is really distinctive too. Joan Shelley seems influenced by early Joni Mitchell, but the voice of her own experience comes through well enough.

Speaking of studious young singer-songwriters, Courtney Barnett, like her Melbourne neighbors Dick Diver, seems to have learned from the Go-Betweens, especially Forster, re how to compress and clarify (with oblique strokes) her observational verses, wand her guitar on the choruses, as she says, draws on Television, for bracing yet partial release from verse situations---partial cos she's neurotic(does have a sense of humor, though). The double-EP was lyrically denser, but also good. Dick Diver is more chill.

1. Read poll results
2. Click on entries you like
3. Click on the names of the people who voted for the things you like
4. Check out the other things they voted for that you don't know
5. Remember the names of the new things you found that you liked
5. Remember the names of the people who voted for things you didn't know but liked after you listened to them

― Very selfish, and very ironic (DJP), Wednesday, January 13, 2016 10:37 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this.

Oh yeah, remember that strategy, it's all coming back to me.

I started doing just that but I gave up after seeing that most of the ballots were 'that one thing I liked' + kamasi/barnett/etc and in the rare event there was something unknown you had absolutely no info about it (even just the artwork would have helped). Just doesn't seem worth the hassle.

is there one or two voters whose ballots you really like, Dinsdale? glenn's stats offer a list of similar ballots ... should get you closer to other voters worth your time, i would think

in the rare event there was something unknown you had absolutely no info about it

aside from google

i mean, i don't use pazz & jop for discovering new stuff, but i did a similar thing w the ilx eoy nominations

is there one or two voters whose ballots you really like, Dinsdale? glenn's stats offer a list of similar ballots ... should get you closer to other voters worth your time, i would think

That's the thing, it's hard to find out. I would pick one album I like from the albums list then click on the writers who had it on their ballot, and most of the time everything else on the ballot is stuff I already know and usually don't like. Sometimes there's one thing you don't know so you google it etc. (because yes lex, I'm aware of google) but it's just super tedious after a while. I mean if you're going to do something like that make it so that it entices people to discover stuff, instead of making it feel like a very boring day job. Take the ILX Metal EOY for instance, I listened to plenty of stuff and discovered a few good ones because it was done in a way that made it easy to (direct links to stream the album, reviews and so on).

As soon as I find something worth digging into I will try out the glenn thing though, thanks for the heads up

I like Marc Masters' ballot the best so far

I forgot about that Obnox album he listed. They/he were good live last year. I like the punkier and poppier (Chills) stuff he listed, more than the noisier/experimental ones.

Ha. I'm the opposite.

instead of making it feel like a very boring day job

man can't you just let these sad pros have their fun

I'm finding that searching the furia stats is much easier/better (can search by artist for example).
Glenn is there a way to search for 'breadth'? I think that's a stat of interest to me.

Glenn, not sure if this is anything you're actually interested in or care about, but have you ever inquired about getting older data?

I know the voice site swallowed and distorted many of the aughts polls, but I bet the original ballots are somewhere to be found...

I know I can def access, like, my 2003 ballot via wayback machine