Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

And of course ending up proposing that people should focus more ressources on his research subject.

"Because, if God forbid Isis pays a visit to you, to our community, the last thing standing between them and our families may be the ability to protect ourselves with our guns."

marcooooo

The should cast this entire would-be republican slate in the next sequel to "The Expendables." Sly! Arnold! Trump! Mel! Dolph! Marco! Jeb! Statham! Crews! Snipes!

do you think rubio has ever had a dream where terrorists infiltrate and the citizen army rallies around him, and he dies at the end in a way which somehow singlehandedly saves the United States of America?

Who hasn't?

Obviously it was Democratic polices with aliens that led to the 'Independence Day' fiasco. Luckily Bill Pullman was a Republican and led the US to victory.

so i was kind of intensely invested in the horse race last fall, but then sometime early last december life intervened and i stopped caring. and having taken a month or so off none of this all seems terribly important. people are desperately trying to persuade me there's a race here and look i have a profound capacity for paranoia, but there isn't. until and unless something else happens, it's clinton v. trump, clinton in a walk. am more concerned about visegrad group fascism than about anything happening in america right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/17/hours-before-debate-sanders-shares-details-of-health-plan-that-would-raise-income-taxes/

Opiates I know, but I'd never heard the word "opioids" before. Thought it might have something to do with Ronnie Howard.

Bernie is more focused tonight imo. A lot of fire.

i find it stressful to hear sanders

he's that guy who points his finger when he talks at you and goes on and on and on and on about his highly unoriginal and negative ideas about how the world works because he knows it all. it's really off putting. i've had to work for enough managers who behave that way, i'm not voting for one

Bernie has resting-scowl face.

Vote Bernie

I'm out tonight and not watching, so that's not in response to anything. Ok I've had a few, lead me alone.

tbh i find it stressful to hear anyone running for office

Lead me alone

Xp
Opiates come from the poppy plant
Opioids are synthetic substances with opiate-like properties and effects

This is the first and probably only Democratic debate I have watched/will watch, but it's so obvious that Hillary is rehearsing for being president and the dudes are doing something different. (And worthwhile -- Bernie gives her a foil, and sometimes O'Malley does too.)

I still think the significance of our first woman president, baggage and all, is being underestimated by almost everybody. But that probably works to her advantage.

the government should have a warrant if they want to go through o'malley's back door. that's what i've learned.
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glad I wasn't the only one who caught that

The thing about Bernie is that if you buy his central theses (rigged economy, congress owned by donors, etc), it's hard to see how a President can succeed in effecting the change desired.

It would be good if he fleshed out how this political revolution would proceed.

Hillary just garbled one of her husband's best lines.

i find it stressful to hear sanders

he's that guy who points his finger when he talks at you and goes on and on and on and on about his highly unoriginal and negative ideas about how the world works because he knows it all. it's really off putting. i've had to work for enough managers who behave that way, i'm not voting for one

― arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:56 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

cliinton scores a few points just for mentioning flint, michigan

the moderators really should have had a question about that tbh

It would be good if he fleshed out how this political revolution would proceed.

― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous)

^i think i would read that book

why would you when you can set Sanders against Clinton by asking about Bill?

i find it stressful to hear sanders

he's that guy who points his finger when he talks at you and goes on and on and on and on about his highly unoriginal and negative ideas about how the world works because he knows it all. it's really off putting. i've had to work for enough managers who behave that way, i'm not voting for one

― arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:56 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you know, i like bernie and plan on voting for him but this is a rly good point. i can't speak for other bernie supporters, but i find some of his crankiness endearing but at other times it can be abrasive.

Maybe we're tired of "good listeners" for Dem president

sanders demeanor... really cannot overstate how abrasive and off putting it is. reminds me of this older dude who was sitting next to me on a long flight and started off by telling me the magazine i was reading (mother jones, iirc) was a rag and then mansplained the world to me for like two solid hours. as well as many other instances of this type of behavior, guys scowling and pointing their finger and rambling on and on and on (it's always guys)
years ago i used to be polite and put up with this and they all seemed to believe i was actually interested in what they had to say and that obviously i had nothing to say and they should talk over me if i tried

now i never leave the house without my headphones!

there aren't many options either way xp

sanders demeanor... really cannot overstate how abrasive and off putting it is

I think maybe this is just how Gentiles feel. Me, I hear Sanders talk and it's like listening to my uncles argue at Passover. I'm relaxed and at home. I do in fact literally have an Uncle Bernie. We all do!

I actually mostly came in here to observe that there is a big Hillary supporter who tweets as @TrueFactsStated, perhaps the worst Twitter handle ever created

I agree that the hectoring tone can be a bit much, but there's a goofiness to him that I think helps to undercut that / make it less overbearing

Would agree with that totally, even as I also recognize that I often find the fantasy Sanders in my head nailing questions that he kinda only gets in the ballpark of the perfect answer to. So it goes, with me and politicians. But as always I just remind myself that the point of this candidacy is to open up a discursive space for his kind of politics generally. The super fantasy is not Sanders as president but the Democratic equivalent of the Tea Party unseating center-right corporate democrats, winning mayoral elections, spreading a Sanders-style politics. That's the only kind of "changing the conversation" I actually buy tbh.

thats where im at, too. like, he's kinda signaling that candidates who hit hard on some economic left issues have some traction nationally. im hoping there are dem candidates, esp young ones, watching this and running in some state and local races a few years from now.

i get the impression that the DLC wing is still skittish about embracing this wing and gave up on it a long time ago bc of the electoral success of reagan and w bush and they may be the last ones in the room to recognize that the country might be shifting left.

it was the clinton campaign's undoing, rly from her iraq war vote onward. i think the clinton camp still operates under this idea that america won't like HRC if they dont project moderation at all times and a willingness to jettison progressive ideas if they seem challenging at all.

i honestly didn't know if i would ever see a day when a prez candidate would basically say yeah the war on drugs was a major fail and we need treatment centers it's a disease not a crime. i'm paraphrasing...but still it does my heart good after all these decades of stupid fucking bluster about zero tolerance from both parties.

i find it stressful to hear sanders

he's that guy who points his finger when he talks at you and goes on and on and on and on about his highly unoriginal and negative ideas about how the world works because he knows it all. it's really off putting. i've had to work for enough managers who behave that way, i'm not voting for one

― arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:56 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbf the country is messed up in a really unoriginal and off-putting way

when bern said he was gonna put the goverment on the banks' back all i heard was that he was going to put the government on our back. because that's how my brain works. subconsciously lots of people heard that too. and people hate the idea of the government on their back. and its totally the fear a lot of people have of Dem supremacy. which is why he can't win. i already called the election for hil months ago though. its hers to lose.

i find most politicians' public personas kind of creepy and repellent but bernie always seems sweet and sincere to me. o'malley seems much more like the annoying droning know-it-all to me.

i also thought he could have phrased 'government on their backs' better

get me out of this Stupid Fucking Country Run by Aesthetically Pleasing Goldman Sachs Whores.

"it was the clinton campaign's undoing, rly from her iraq war vote onward. i think the clinton camp still operates under this idea that america won't like HRC if they dont project moderation at all times and a willingness to jettison progressive ideas if they seem challenging at all."

america won't like hrc full stop. we've spent close to 25 years irrationally despising her while all the time clinton has been sloooowly doing things to justify that hatred. the bizarre irony is that when her number is finally coming up her opponents on the other side of the aisle somehow managed to find a candidate more detestable than her. 25 years of "anybody but hilary" and now this year it's "wait, except for him".

bernie is a magic underwear gnome. i don't hate him in the same way i don't hate jandek.

Looking forward to '24 race when it's Elizabeth Warren vs th Duck Dynasty guy.

Elizabeth Warren will be well into her 70s by then.

Phil Robertson is 3 years older!

sanders demeanor... really cannot overstate how abrasive and off putting it is

I think maybe this is just how Gentiles feel. Me, I hear Sanders talk and it's like listening to my uncles argue at Passover. I'm relaxed and at home. I do in fact literally have an Uncle Bernie. We all do!
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:25 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Please give jews some credit here... most of us very easily see through bernies shtick. He is an atrocious politician.

http://i.imgur.com/YifevOC.gif

haha I mentioned that scowl last night

Elizabeth Warren will be well into her 70s by then.

― its subtle brume (DJP), Monday, January 18, 2016 8:34 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

IT WAS A JOKE, D.

http://i.imgur.com/8IvCm6e.gif