Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

yes, obama will go down in history as the hitler of aids

far to the right of W on establishing enormous marine reserves

I wonder what the 'welcome to the presidency' boot camp is like where the CIA and NSA, et al lifers scare the fucking shit out of whoever wins and they explain all the horrible things they do to keep the status quo

I wonder what the 'welcome to the presidency' boot camp is like where the CIA and NSA, et al lifers scare the fucking shit out of whoever wins and they explain all the horrible things they do to keep the status quo

Bill Hicks (stand-up comedian, died in the 90s) had a bit about how they take newly elected presidents into a dark room and show them the Kennedy assassination, filmed from an angle nobody's ever seen before, and just ask, "Any questions?"

my only hesitation with bernie as president is that he'd be so utterly ineffection due to republican stalemates nothing would ever happen, he'd lose relection or not run due to age, and then a republican will come in and blow the world up in 2020.

that's true of anybody though. the only reason obama could pass ACA is because the world was shook by the financial crisis.

bernie prob won't get much of anything through congress, but i don't think HRC with all her "experience" will do any better. any dem who ends up being president will prob look more like obama's last couple years than his first couple years -- executive orders and good speeches.

I'm at the same place goole is, it sounds like

(many xposts)

Jeb Lund:

Blaming Track Palin’s problems on Obama’s policy is just trading in the old Stabbed In The Back myth, repurposed from Weimar Germany by way of Vietnam, to synonymize an antipathy for the policy and strategy for which troops died with an antipathy for the troops themselves. (Let’s also not forget that neglecting the VA has been a bipartisan sin.) And whatever insufficiency of warmongering Obama has manifested over the years has never been paired with anything short of voluble, frequent praise for service members.

Even if Palin’s assertions were true, that’s a weird way for PTSD to manifest, so furious at a policy that it leads someone to lash out in the home as opposed to expressing anything at the source of the anger. Is it related to all troop withdrawals and just to Obama? What about other policy makers? And why didn’t this come up earlier? Was Track Palin drunk and shirtless at the Palin’s 2014 pier-six brawl because of Obama too?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/jan/20/presidential-election-2016-campaign-coverage-trump-palin-live#block-569ff592e4b0e5eaffebb920

i just realized that whoever gives alan grayson the best chance of winning rubio's florida senate seat will get my vote

Sanders is the ONLY candidate with a net positive favorability rating.

this is because 27% of the electorate has never heard of him

right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingin'
right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingin'
right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingin'
right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingin'
right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingin'
right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingin'
right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingin'
right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingin'
right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingin'
right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingin'
right wingin' bitter clingin' PROUD clingin'

easy talkin border blockin

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/20/opinions/ta-nehisi-coates-attack-on-bernie-sanders-mcwhorter/index.html

I'm Ric Flair! The Stylin', profilin', limousine riding, jet flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin' n' dealin' son of a gun!

that ciara remix vine of palin is impressive

"any dem who ends up being president will prob look more like obama's last couple years than his first couple years -- executive orders and good speeches."

given that even the pretense of u.s. bipartisan governance has been dead since at least 2010, yeah, probably.

fuck bipartisan governance, just give the majority of a chamber the ability to pass legislation - there are TWO whole other branches of government to rein it in! for fuck's sake it's all so broke

did y'all see the iggy azalea vine

having either a socialist or a [whatever trump is] president might cause some really weird/ugly 'bipartisan' stuff to happen in congress

then again based on the ratcheting into line behind trump we're seeing among pundits and donors on the right, maybe only sanders would have to deal with that heh

ie the GOP at all levels will make its peace with trump pretty quickly here, and for good, if he wins.

the sun rising tomorrow having either a socialist or a [whatever trump is] president might cause some really weird/ugly 'bipartisan' stuff to happen in congress

Im pretty sure candidate obama ran against the imperial bush presidency and pretty much embraced it wholeheartedly once in office in 2008.

― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries),

I love that this is all predicated on revenge; "Bob Dole learned his mentor's lessons well," Mr. Dole was heard to say.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/20/bob-dole-warns-of-cataclysmic-losses-with-ted-cruz-and-says-donald-trump-would-do-better/?_r=0

any dem who ends up being president will prob look more like obama's last couple years than his first couple years -- executive orders and good speeches.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, January 20, 2016 4:30 PM

otm

:D

https://twitter.com/Elizabeth_Calo/status/689943146436886532

great hashtag

i can imagine a future where dems do fantastic in 2016 and you start seeing some republicans willing to break w/ the party to vote on bipartisan bills. i get the sense that there are a lot of republicans (among their editorialists/thinkers and legislators both) that are dissatisfied with the current party and esp if trump wins there are a whole bunch of republican op-ed ppl who have denounced him vigorously and it's hard to imagine them just falling back in line. idk i don't give this a strong chance of happening but it seems within the realms of possibility imo.

you start seeing some republicans willing to break w/ the party to vote on bipartisan bills

what Districts/states are these guys from

hypothetically

PA

cuz the people that used to do that in the Senate are gone, and the vast majority of GOP reps in the House are from otherwise safe Districts where they will get pilloried + primaried for collaboration

(xp)

i can speak best to my local politics since i know it best but i assume there are similar things for other moderate states that might lean dem - OH, IO maybe. but there are republicans in office here who are still like "responsible" moderate republicans. in this nom race there are even some so you know they exist.

but maybe any wave that could be convincing enough to get them to start voting on bipartisan bills might also throw them out of office

the republicans are like a fun-house mirror version of the british labour party, with a national leadership that is veering so close to some kind of event horizon relative to party rank and file that the two are in danger of disappearing from mutual view altogether

Toomey seems p right-wing to me, idg where any moderation on his positions in the Senate would come from unless he becomes desperate to hang onto his seat because he's being challenged from the left (which also seems unlikely)

on the House side seems like there's a couple Reps that might be flexible - Dent, idk about a lot of the others

xp

bernie prob won't get much of anything through congress, but i don't think HRC with all her "experience" will do any better. any dem who ends up being president will prob look more like obama's last couple years than his first couple years -- executive orders and good speeches.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, January 20, 2016 4:30 PM (1 hour ago)

should be noted that presidents tend to govern much more moderately than they run in primaries. we can probably expect hillary to govern a lot like bill did. hope everybody's ready for social security "reform"!

I don't think it will quite be like Bill's terms - there are no incentives on either side of the aisle to compromise, the "third way" has been obliterated.

idk nothing lasts forever - esp in politics

whoever wins is going to benefit from the fact that post-obama the partisan landscape will be less divisive (if for nothing else - like fatigue - then just the fact that racists won't have an insane hatred for the POTUS)

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/20/opinions/ta-nehisi-coates-attack-on-bernie-sanders-mcwhorter/index.html

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, January 20, 2016 5:16 PM (1 hour ago)

this has some worthwhile ideas but something like this is probably best fleshed out in as a much longer, well-referenced essay than published to cnn.com

yeah they will have an insane misogynist hatred instead

xxp

lol otm

idk where yr getting this "partisan landscape will be less divisive" stuff from, it shows no signs of abating on the GOP side

i said where - legislators and thought leaders in the movement who seem dissatisfied with the party and might not want to stay in lockstep esp in an environment w/ major dem wins

idk if you've noticed but those "legislators and thought leaders", those guys are losing. Boehner resigned, Cantor got primaried, the establishment prez candidates are all in the shitter

the GOP will hate Sanders as much as they hate Obama and the Arkansawyers.

in that environment, they will cling more desperately to whoever wins under the GOP brand, because they will be afraid of losing.

xp

the GOP will hate Sanders

Sanders will never win but of course this goes without saying, how else would they approach a liberal Jew