Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

bernie sanders hasn't had to run a real election in 22 years and vermont is roughly comparable in population to portland oregon

― iatee, Friday, January 22, 2016 11:07 PM (6 minutes ago)

yet by virtually all accounts he's running a pretty great campaign so i guess it doesn't matter

Sure, but what has that got to do with anything?

Man, Sanders fans are the worst.

sure

Man, Sanders fans are the worst.

sure

― mookieproof

don't talk about my mom like that

he's run a great campaign by making promises he can't keep, being the only alternative to the establishment and saying things that appeal to white primary voters w/ far from mainstream political views. so he's run 'a great campaign' just like trump has run 'a great campaign'.

i agree! how is hillary different

hillary isn't selling people single payer health care and free college tuition

school sucks don't go to class

Let's return to going round and round about Trump and Cruz, shall we? This is worse than Christmas dinner

hillary isn't selling people single payer health care and free college tuition

Please refer to the Warren snippet I posted above

Ouch, I posted my pentimenti

I predict nobody will be nominated or elected president

iatee
Posted: January 22, 2016 at 10:28:01 PM
hillary isn't selling people single payer health care and free college tuition

Man both of those goals sure are terrible

I'm looking for a democrat without ambition or hope, so your take really resonates with me.

If Clinton just admitted she was going to capitulate right off the bat, that would save a bunch of people the time it took to get mad at Obama for not accomplishing as much as they hoped, so it would serve the schaudenfreude wing of the modern Democratic Party.

ah yes we just need sufficient quantities of ambition and hope, that'll make all those bleak realities that exist in american politics disappear and then we can just press that free college button.

clinton would be better at playing w/ the gridlocked republican congress narrative

Right so basically you're running the same arguments republicans use about democrats buying votes with food stamps and obamaphones. Cool.

i think almost every single narrative i see on tv is bullshit

that'll make all those bleak realities that exist in american politics disappear

no. you're right. these will only disappear as soon as we give up and do nothing about them.

everyone itt needs 2 chill out

I'm kinda surprised that the whole single payer healthcare is such a kryptonite issue in a way, considering that the current system of healthcare is considered a total lag on US corporations that have to fit the bill for their employees. You might think that getting that whole expense out of their wheelhouse (that Nixon wanted to do back in '72) and back on the taxpayers would be considered a good thing. I read an article a few years back that it was considered a 8-12% lag on competitive pricing on US product exports in certain industries.

If it was me, I'd sell 'free college' in a way to get people into more engineering, mathematics, computer science or education degrees. That way it would be sold in a way that corps. are going to profit from the results. But what do I know...

the earth's core is the limit for how low this thread can go

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/krugman/2016/01/23/wonks-and-minions/?smid=tw-nytimeskrugman&smtyp=cur&referer=

the Clintonite kind of experience

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/hillary_blames_bernie_for_an_old_clintonite_hustle_rotten_shame_20160119

nothing has stuck to the teflon don yet so who knows but thought this was a pretty effective superpac ad - http://youtu.be/rcUCLwWCihE

Sanders soon figured out that he and almost all other Congress members had been tricked into providing a blank check for the marketing of bogus collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps made legal by the legislation, of which a key author was Gary Gensler, the former Goldman Sachs partner recruited by Clinton to be undersecretary of the treasury.

Eight years later, when President Obama nominated Gensler to head the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, it was Sanders who put a temporary hold on the nomination, stating: “Mr. Gensler worked with Sen. Phil Gramm and [former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman] Alan Greenspan to exempt credit default swaps from regulation, which led to the collapse of AIG and has resulted in the largest taxpayer bailout in U.S. history.”

^^ I remember this, and contra Frederik I'm happy with a senator who says nay.

that ad almost makes me like trump

I was gonna say, where's the abortion-loving / universal healthcare touting / complimenting women on their actual skills Trump now?

that ad almost makes me like trump
― akm, Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:15 AM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is the ad supposed to be slanderous because it exposes his incoherence, or because it's bad to believe the things he says in the video (which are all mostly rational things)? probably both

incoherence as in inconsistency/flip flopping/etc

oh awesome - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/nyregion/bloomberg-sensing-an-opening-revisits-a-potential-white-house-run.html

awesome indeed

http://www.pophistorydig.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/1968-nixon-esquire-lt.jpg

welp. waiting on the veracity but still

https://twitter.com/jjsimonCNN/status/690965417175560192

he just posted a slightly different "corrected" version of the quote:

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters." -- Donald J. Trump

oh it's for real

http://www.motherjones.com/contributor/2016/01/shorter-donald-trump-haha-my-supporters-are-so-stupid#testa

jfc

The man has a talent for saying things.

i "like" how the audience chuckles approvingly

also for your consideration:

http://forward.com/opinion/331449/that-time-donald-trump-retweeted-nazis/

And being a congress member is somehow better than being Secretary of State and First Lady of US and Arkansas.

Look: Hillary Clinton is the most experienced candidate. It's ridiculous to argue otherwise. She might not be a good politician, she's obviously too centrist for most of this board - including me - but stop arguing that she isn't vastly more experienced than Sanders. It's stupid.

― Frederik B, Friday, January 22, 2016 10:45 PM (5 minutes ago)

it'd be more accurate to say that clinton has executive branch experience and sanders doesn't.

fyi "first lady" is not actually a political office, so yes being a longstanding member of congress is more impressive than that.

And being a congress member is somehow better than being Secretary of State and First Lady of US and Arkansas.

tell us more about the way it works here

'member of congress in a safe seat who always gets to vote his conscience (except on guns) cause you're only accountable to a couple hundred thousand people in a weird state and they like you' is a super sweet gig but it prepares someone for presidency about as much as idk, separating conjoined twins or having a pizza empire

i don't want anyone who's 'prepared' in the bombcrazy GoldmanSachs fuckway HRC is

also plz shoot Bloomberg into space, somebody

That Trump quote about 5th Avenue is his most perfect A Face in the Crowd moment yet--that's pretty much Andy Griffith when the mic is surreptitiously turned on. The only difference is that Trump knows the mic is on. He's more Lonesome Rhodes than Lonesome Rhodes.

oh awesome - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/nyregion/bloomberg-sensing-an-opening-revisits-a-potential-white-house-run.html🔗

He ain't running. Unless he's going to pull a Buchanan (wink wink)

having a pizza empire

I don't know, with every passing year I'm thinking this may be the top POTUS qualification.

The Trump quote with another half-minute of context:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA

The context will get him off the hook, but I'm not sure he doesn't end up saying the opposite of what he pretends to be saying anyway.

From that article, it sounds like Bloomberg is getting ready so that he can jump in if it looks like Sanders will be the nominee. That's the only way I can imagine him running.