Buttload of Faith: the 2016 Presidential Primary Thread (Pt 2)

the earth's core is the limit for how low this thread can go

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/krugman/2016/01/23/wonks-and-minions/?smid=tw-nytimeskrugman&smtyp=cur&referer=

the Clintonite kind of experience

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/hillary_blames_bernie_for_an_old_clintonite_hustle_rotten_shame_20160119

nothing has stuck to the teflon don yet so who knows but thought this was a pretty effective superpac ad - http://youtu.be/rcUCLwWCihE

Sanders soon figured out that he and almost all other Congress members had been tricked into providing a blank check for the marketing of bogus collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps made legal by the legislation, of which a key author was Gary Gensler, the former Goldman Sachs partner recruited by Clinton to be undersecretary of the treasury.

Eight years later, when President Obama nominated Gensler to head the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, it was Sanders who put a temporary hold on the nomination, stating: “Mr. Gensler worked with Sen. Phil Gramm and [former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman] Alan Greenspan to exempt credit default swaps from regulation, which led to the collapse of AIG and has resulted in the largest taxpayer bailout in U.S. history.”

^^ I remember this, and contra Frederik I'm happy with a senator who says nay.

that ad almost makes me like trump

I was gonna say, where's the abortion-loving / universal healthcare touting / complimenting women on their actual skills Trump now?

that ad almost makes me like trump
― akm, Saturday, January 23, 2016 10:15 AM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is the ad supposed to be slanderous because it exposes his incoherence, or because it's bad to believe the things he says in the video (which are all mostly rational things)? probably both

incoherence as in inconsistency/flip flopping/etc

oh awesome - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/nyregion/bloomberg-sensing-an-opening-revisits-a-potential-white-house-run.html

awesome indeed

http://www.pophistorydig.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/1968-nixon-esquire-lt.jpg

welp. waiting on the veracity but still

https://twitter.com/jjsimonCNN/status/690965417175560192

he just posted a slightly different "corrected" version of the quote:

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters." -- Donald J. Trump

oh it's for real

http://www.motherjones.com/contributor/2016/01/shorter-donald-trump-haha-my-supporters-are-so-stupid#testa

jfc

The man has a talent for saying things.

i "like" how the audience chuckles approvingly

also for your consideration:

http://forward.com/opinion/331449/that-time-donald-trump-retweeted-nazis/

And being a congress member is somehow better than being Secretary of State and First Lady of US and Arkansas.

Look: Hillary Clinton is the most experienced candidate. It's ridiculous to argue otherwise. She might not be a good politician, she's obviously too centrist for most of this board - including me - but stop arguing that she isn't vastly more experienced than Sanders. It's stupid.

― Frederik B, Friday, January 22, 2016 10:45 PM (5 minutes ago)

it'd be more accurate to say that clinton has executive branch experience and sanders doesn't.

fyi "first lady" is not actually a political office, so yes being a longstanding member of congress is more impressive than that.

And being a congress member is somehow better than being Secretary of State and First Lady of US and Arkansas.

tell us more about the way it works here

'member of congress in a safe seat who always gets to vote his conscience (except on guns) cause you're only accountable to a couple hundred thousand people in a weird state and they like you' is a super sweet gig but it prepares someone for presidency about as much as idk, separating conjoined twins or having a pizza empire

i don't want anyone who's 'prepared' in the bombcrazy GoldmanSachs fuckway HRC is

also plz shoot Bloomberg into space, somebody

That Trump quote about 5th Avenue is his most perfect A Face in the Crowd moment yet--that's pretty much Andy Griffith when the mic is surreptitiously turned on. The only difference is that Trump knows the mic is on. He's more Lonesome Rhodes than Lonesome Rhodes.

oh awesome - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/nyregion/bloomberg-sensing-an-opening-revisits-a-potential-white-house-run.html🔗

He ain't running. Unless he's going to pull a Buchanan (wink wink)

having a pizza empire

I don't know, with every passing year I'm thinking this may be the top POTUS qualification.

The Trump quote with another half-minute of context:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA

The context will get him off the hook, but I'm not sure he doesn't end up saying the opposite of what he pretends to be saying anyway.

From that article, it sounds like Bloomberg is getting ready so that he can jump in if it looks like Sanders will be the nominee. That's the only way I can imagine him running.

"btw, cruz...soft"

ew

From that article, it sounds like Bloomberg is getting ready so that he can jump in if it looks like Sanders will be the nominee. That's the only way I can imagine him running.

I'm serious. Why do you think he goes to Bermuda every weekend? He likes young Latino men

honestly don't see how that Trump quip could lose him any supporters, it's nothing revelatory or shocking, quite par for the course really given his usual rhetoric. and also otm, he is invincible.

the trump campaign sort of reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifragility

as another good example of how people are good at coming up with new terms for old shit and getting excessive attention for it?

hahaha

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZcdH_tWIAA0Ifq.jpg

"realize isis is bad"

nice

the little heart with wings at the bottom kills me

or is it a heart being nosed from either side by a pair of hedgehogs?

i think they're mustaches

This Bloomberg move is the scummiest thing yet in an already awful and tainted primary. Anyone on the democrat side who applauds this should be deeply ashamed.

He won't do it. Unless capitalism has to be saved.

Going home last night, caught the Buffalo signal for Hannity's show. He had Ann Coulter on. Two things she said: "Hispanics love Donald Trump" (emphasis hers) and "Everyone in New York loves Donald Trump" (no emphasis, but "everyone" was the word). That's quite a break with reality.

imagine that

At dinner last night some friends trotted out the "Hillary is the most accomplished" line, but couldn't site any specific accomplishments besides generally holding office and/or being Secretary of State. Inevitably the counter was an ad hominem "well, what has Sanders accomplished?" question, but I don't think even his supporters walk around calling him particularly accomplished.

What a terrible election. What I just can't get is how people in a city with Rahm as mayor can't recognize Hillary as a similarly terrible or untrustworthy person, or at least similarly, deceptively right-leaning. It's not just that I don't trust her to pursue a progressive agenda, I'm not sure how much I trust her to successfully maintain the status quo. Or, for that matter, get out the vote.

who the hell cares if a former business man turned mayor wants to run for president

how is everyone making a big deal about experience going to feel about a guy who...was a mayor of a city

If I were a former businessman turned mayor, I'd probably run for president too

a vox article about how many mayors were former businessmen: probably about 75%