Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

wonder how chris hemsworth feels about being a co-star in his own movie

guess that applies to chris evans in civil war too

― Butt here is always time for the John Mayer Trio or Sting. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, January 25, 2016 3:40 PM (2 hours ago)

Or Chris Evans and Scarlett Johannson in Winter Soldier.

― Frederik B, Monday, January 25, 2016 3:45 PM (2 hours ago)

The MCU feels like major league baseball now. Nobody's making art, nobody's under the mistaken impression that they're making art, it's all firmly a part of the entertainment-industrial complex and that's cool. Feige is the commissioner, onscreen talent = on-field talent, Hemsworth and Evans are reliable innings-eaters, Jenny Agutter is a left-handed bench piece, Netflix and ABC are triple-A and double-A, Taika Waititi is that kid who jumped straight from being Crash Davis to managing A-ball for two years to getting the job managing the Padres.

Yeah, I don't think a "b-b-but this is my movie!!!" primadonna would get very far in today's MCU.

OTOH, even as they've demonstrated a willingness to recast when necessary, Hemsworth is probably one of the rare, indispensable members of that crew. Casting a burly, charismatic dude who doesn't come off as a douche is quite a coup.

The MLB analogy works pretty well- still, curious to see how they recast Iron Man & Cap as they eventually must.

A lot of speculation that Steve Rogers is a goner. Read Bucky's lips when he's grabbing Stark's arc reactor from his chest

If that means they're gonna do SamCap, I'm okay with it

Downey is probably a bigger coup (as well as the keystone of the whole thing) - get a total dick to play a total dick because he's a total dick, and still be charming.

Read Bucky's lips when he's grabbing Stark's arc reactor from his chest

I'm no lip reader, so what's he supposed to say? "Steve's dead"?

If they're following the Death of Cap storyline from the comics, there'll be a BuckyCap before SamCap... Though presumably, even if Steve dies, he'll be back from the dead to fight Thanos in the next Avengers movie. Can't imagine them adapting the Infinity Gauntlet and not using that iconic scene.

All I want from the Infinity War films is an afroed Magus. Is that so much to ask?

https://dorkforty.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/starlin-warlock-magus.jpg

On the "possibly maybe true" rumor front: Yondu and Nebula will be joing the GotG in the next film alongside newcomer Mantis. And apparently Ego the Living Planet will factor in somehow.

I could take or leave Spider-Man, but I find it a big bummer that there is no legal room for Galactus in the current MCU movies.

or Doctor Doom

Both already ruined on-screen by Fox. Time to pull a Doctor Mordrid!

yeah i saw some spoiler for gotg2 teased the other day w/ 'huge galactic figure to appear' and thought 'omg they got galactus' for a second. it was ego the living planet.

Maybe Eternity and the Living Tribunal will show up next

I'd be a little sad to see Galactus or Doom without the FF to foil them though.

Anyone else feel like the Russo brothers did a better ensemble cast film with Winter Solider than the mess that Age of Ultron ended up being? The asides with each character having a plot arc through the confrontation of their fears after being zapped by the Scarlet Witch just dragged the whole film down with exposition, imo.

They might run into the same issue with their Civil War take, but I'm optimistic.

As much as I like Winter Soldier I wouldn't give the Russos credit for being more successful on that end, rather that there's just so many more characters, storylines, tie-ins to future Marvel movies that had to be juggled in Ultron, it was much tougher. Sound like Whedon went nuts, and and having seen the full version of that Thor possession scene they forced him to shoot, I can't blame him. I'm guessing it'll be similarly muddy for Civil War with all the noobs. Expecting characters like Sam Wilson and Ultron to get actual development in that movie, too, so...

I'm no lip reader, so what's he supposed to say? "Steve's dead"?

Yes

Me and my friends seem to think that even if Steve dies that one of the Infinity Gems could be employed to resurrect him for one or both if the Avengers movies

Better yet they do the the Return of Bruce Wayne--err, Captain America: Reborn thing and have him shunted out of space and time. Wouldn't be too hard to squeeze that in between two Infinity War movies

Cap in space for a whole movie would be wonderful

can we get that Bucky as space hunter version they have in the comics now? bigass alien sniper rifle

Winter Soldier and Avengers 2 were both messes.

search: Iron Man 1, Thor 1, Avengers 1, GotG
borderline: Ant-Man
destroy: Iron Man 2, Thor 2, Hulk, Cap 1, Cap 2, Avengers 2

I should stop watching these.

don't understand rating Winter Soldier below Ant-Man or even Avengers 1
I think of all of them, Winter Soldier & Guardians of the Galaxy are the most re-watchable by far

I'm the wrong person to ask because I have no objection to any of these movies, regardless of quality.

If I had to rate them on the fun scale I'd put Thor 1, Cap 1, Iron Man 1, & Cap 2 at the top and Hulk, Thor 2 & Iron Man 2 at the bottom.

Yeah Cap 1 is great

I don't know why people like Cap 2. Complicated real world issues are because evil conspiracy. New bad guy turns out to be dead guy WHAT! oh wait it doesn't matter.

Uh people like it because it's a kickass action movie

otm

And no one is even talking about Iron Man 3 here which is insane because it's great.

Haven't seen it and probably won't.

Where should I send your cookie?

IM3 is great on multiple levels. Worst I can say about it is that it gets kinda boring during the ACTION PACKED FINALE but when it's good it's amazing.

I could watch just the Kingsley bits over and over. And the child actor.

I'm not sure I've seen any of these movies more than once, but I want to say I liked Thor 2 more than Cap 2 (even if I liked Cap 1 much more than Thor 1). I dunno, I just though it was fun. Ones I'd be least inclined to ever revisit include Avengers 2 and Ant-Man. One I think I'd most like to see again is Iron Man 3, if only for the comically insane number of SFX people listed in the credits.

thor 2 was sludgy & boring to me

cap 2 was great! but my overall preference is for cap 1 mostly bcz i love peggy & cap together in their own time, and i kinda liked hugo weaving's scary hydra skull nazi

i really dug ant-man, way more than i expected to. but it's the least marvel-seeming, it feels like it's own movie more than part of the world that cap or thor or iron man exists in, even though it refers to the same events etc

Willing to bet that if you think Thor 2 is fun, then it's not on the list of movies you've seen twice :)

Tom Hiddlestone is having a lot of fun in it of course, but then there's so much of the picture when he's not on screen and everything judders to a halt.

sooo many alium subtitles, that shit was hella boring

I was trying to recall any talking onions, but nm

lol

I don't remember anything about it except some space monster running around ... London? Maybe there were onions, can't recall.

ant man, thor 1, guardians of the galaxy all on another level of entertaining to me. thor 1 is particularly good because it's kind of quiet. thor 2 I don't remember a thing about.

the wormhole action scene was the only interesting part of Thor 2

even Hiddlestone's bits (although he did his best) were kind of rubbish

I think people's tolerance of Antman may be directly linked to their tolerance of Paul Rudd writing his own dialogue.

I like them all but Cap 2 and Iron Man 3 were top of the heap for me. And I love all of the shows. I know I can come off as Mr. 'rah-rah, Marvel can do no wrong!' but it's instructive to remember that the MCU came on a wave of mostly total bullshit Marvel movies (which has clearly not quite abated yet), stuff that just about had me swearing off Marvel movies altogether. Even the lesser MCU efforts are pretty solid in comparison.

And I mean are people even watching Agent Carter anymore? That show is so good.

Yeah, I'm watching it, it's pretty much the best thing to have come out of the whole Marvel movie/TV franchise, though Jessica Jones was almost as good. I think the Marvel TV series in general are more interesting than the movies at this point, the lower budget means they don't have to be as crowd-pleasing as the movies, which allows for a more unique approach... Even if they both touch some feminist theme, AC and JJ couldn't be further apart when it comes to style (noir vs. sunlight) and feel (gritty and serious vs. light-hearted adventure).

yeah, i've been watching agent carter too and it's been really good - hayley atwell is obviously great, but the scripts seem sharper and funnier for the second season too

I was burned by SHIELD so have trouble to committing to severally MCU TV series. Too much to watch as it is, especially since what I have seen so far ties so tenuously to the greater MCU narrative. Plus as discussed earlier and elsewhere, their hands are kind of tied, because they have to save major story lines and special appearances for the films, not the TV shows.

I've watched Daredevil and Jessica Jones - the former is moderately entertaining, the latter extremely entertaining.