i am confused by this one part in the NYT sin city review

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That was a bit disconcerting actually. I guess she had a no nudity clause.

It was a little bit draining after a while (I don't tend to read those comics one after another.) It's quite stylishly done though and Mickey Rourke was at his absolute OTT best. I agree that Owen would perhaps not be who I would have cast (he looks the part fine, but the accent's a bit off.) I predict there will be a sequel ("A Dame To Kill For", "Family Business" and the recent-ish one I can't remember) before long.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 2 April 2005 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link

It's ALMOST gun porn, you're right about that. It skirts that label (IMHO) by masking the world in pseudo-noir curtains.

Sequels seem more than likely; Miller, Rodriguez and EVERY actor attached has made it clear they'd love to do more.

I know all three of the Sin City books well enough that I was able to quote most of the movie as it was being said (NO I DIDN'T BUT I COULDA) and I was mesmorized by the frame by frame translation. I expect this to be phenomenally popular and hope that speaks well to the possibility of more "adult" (read: R rated and edgy; not just tits and blood) comic book movies.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:24 (nineteen years ago) link

And Re: EC Comix: they thank Jonny Craig and Will Gaines in the credits, too!

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Visually stunning and ultra-stylized as other have noted. But I have to admit that I did find myself looking at my watch at one point, but in the middle act, not the last one. I'd rank them:

"The Hard Goodbye" >>> "That Yellow Bastard" >> "The Big Fat Kill"

That Elijah Wood character seemed to have been teleported in from some completely different milieu - his strange powers and proclivities didn't seem to fit in with the film noir "naked city" Gothamesque vibe - but perhaps that made him all the more compelling. And the Mickey Rourke character (although I didn't know it was him until the credits, thanks to heavy make-up) sort of out-Arnolds Arnold - or the kind of pulp roles that Arnold used to do before he got too classy - stuff like "Predator" and "Commando" where his body becomes another special effect - and he did the best voice-overs of any of the protagonists. (Voice-over being a narrative technique which I prefer to be used sparingly, I think it was perhaps a bit overdone in this movie - which is a frequent pitfall of adaptations from written forms.)

Thematically it reminded me of Kill Bill - with vengeance being a thread that ran throughout all three episodes. However, whereas the Uma Thurman character in Kill Bill was content merely to kill her enemies - using violence and brutality, sure, but not dwelling on the inflicting of pain much more than necessary - the characters in Sin City seemed happy with nothing less than brutal torture of their enemies before killing them. It was the glorification of sadism, I think, more than the blood and gore, that made me feel a bit uneasy about the film - especially when the audience seems to laugh at the wrong moments.

o. nate (onate), Saturday, 2 April 2005 06:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Carla Gugino had some nice scenes...

Bre3nt Tharl, Saturday, 2 April 2005 06:14 (nineteen years ago) link

to hell and back is gonna be in the sequel with johnny depp

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 2 April 2005 06:15 (nineteen years ago) link

my unbiased review thread: DUDE, SIN CITY WAS GREAT!

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Saturday, 2 April 2005 06:18 (nineteen years ago) link

To Hell And Back was REALLY bad, even by FM standards. How many more SC miniseries are left anyway, two? that, and a metric assload of short stories.

Cabaret Voltron (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Saturday, 2 April 2005 06:25 (nineteen years ago) link

This might be the first comic movie that made me *not* want to return to the original source material. I thought it totally great (except for Brittany Murphy, who can't act and bobbles her head like early George Clooney). Worth it for Nicky Katt alone, and yes, Clive Owen was good.

My first thought coming home was that I loved it but didn't know if I ever want to see it again, but I'm getting the urge. It's kind of PoMo horror movie crossed with a "Roadrunner" cartoon.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 2 April 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

the best comic book movie ever? i'll have to try and think of one that i liked better. i WAS a big swamp thing fan as a kid. it will be hard to beat in the future.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 2 April 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

the best comic book movie ever would be alain resnais' flash gordon

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 2 April 2005 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

anybody else think that Britanny Murphy was TOTALLY Sondra Locke for a new generation?

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/dimension_films/sin_city/brittany_murphy/sincity2.jpg

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Saturday, 2 April 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

anybody else think that Britanny Murphy was TOTALLY Sondra Locke for a new generation?

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/dimension_films/sin_city/brittany_murphy/sincity2.jpg

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Saturday, 2 April 2005 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

shit.

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Saturday, 2 April 2005 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Oooh Johnny Depp.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 2 April 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

how was the gilmore girls chick in this movie?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 2 April 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Surprisingly like on Gilmore Girls. Only with more black leather.

Maria (Maria), Saturday, 2 April 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

is she supposed to be native american?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 2 April 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

nah, she just likes her spanglies, it seems.

also, she's wearing a symbol from Frank Miller's "Give Me Liberty" series on that earring...

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Saturday, 2 April 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Was Billy Boyd (the hobbit) in this as one of the Irish mercenaries? It sure looked and sounded like him, but he wasn't credited.

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 3 April 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

now THIS is a review we can all get behind:

http://www.capalert.com/capreports/sincity.htm

Note that management of the local theater, the Driftwood Theater 6 has implemented special controls to allow no one under 17 to enter the auditorium showing Sin City unless their parent(s) or legal guardian accompanies them into the auditorium. Tickets sales will be closely monitored and checked at the door of the auditorium. Even adult siblings may not be allowed to escort their under 17 siblings. Management suspects this film might have been one MPAA vote away from NC-17. Granted, the MPAA guidelines are not law but Driftwood is committed to ensuring a family-oriented service and supporting parental controls. I am proud of the management of the Driftwood Theaters for their bold stance which is apparently not often taken by other theater owners.

http://www.capalert.com/capreports/sincitydata.gif

Wanton Violence/Crime (W)

multiple bullet impacts with blood, splatter and body part loss
multiple instances of slicings, lacerations, incisions, impalements, avulsions and amputations
cartoon images of firearm and blade assaults
child abduction by a pedophile
fist fighting
assault with metal pipe
gunfire cutting off forearm and to the male privates
scene of multiple gunfire injuries, graphic
scene of multiple gunfire killings, graphic
threat to kill, repeatedly
action violence, repeatedly
planning murder, repeatedly
assault on police, multiple, graphic
assault to eyes
firearm threat, repeatedly
pistol whipping, repeatedly, graphic
gunfire to privates
dragging man by car with face against the pavement
attempted murder by car, numerous times with sight of victim being thrown and bouncing each time
attempted gunfire murder, repeatedly
surviving impossible gunfire injuries that would result in death, repeatedly
assault with sledge hammer, graphic
heads of five disembodied women mounted as trophies, victims of cannibalism, repeatedly
woman speaking of man who had eaten her hand while she watched
assault with a rock
assault with axe to the private parts
many gunfire injuries of varying severity, repeatedly
gore, repeatedly
beating assault
man hitting a woman, repeatedly
double amputation
dog eating stubs of amputations
severed head, repeatedly, sometimes talking/moving
man kissing severed head
beating with baseball bats
talk of eating women
arm breaking assault
electrocution execution
many threats of many kinds
illegal flight to avoid lawful capture
firearms for offense, many
killing/injuring with slicing weapons, repeatedly, some graphic
beheading
more amputation
gushing/splattering of blood, repeatedly
impalement injuries, repeatedly, some graphic
bodies strewn about
slicing up five bodies to be able to fit them into a car trunk
semiautomatic pistol slide rack impaled into forehead
dead bodies talking
assault by strangulation of woman
another severed head, repeatedly, sometimes talking
knife impalements, repeatedly
gunfire to kill, repeatedly
biting gore
brutality, repeatedly
victim joking with spear and arrows protruding through him
blood lust
extortion with wife's life
beating gore, repeatedly
severed finger
admission of contemplating suicide
threat to kill with broken window pane glass
manually ripping male private parts off a man

Impudence/Hate (I)

76 uses of the three/four letter word vocabulary
lusting for murder
wish to kill
lies, repeatedly
stuffing head in toilet with feces to intimidate, twice
calling murder an art
"Power comes by lying"
sadism
torture with whip as "foreplay"

Sexual Immorality (S)

graphically descriptive talk of rape and murder of an 11 year old girl
making out
intercourse with nudity
nudity, upper female, repeatedly
nudity, female rear, repeatedly, some close-up
sex talk
thong nudity, repeatedly
homosexual reference
ghosting of female anatomy through thin clothing, repeatedly
translucent nudity
woman as toys
sensuous dance, repeatedly
dressing to maximize the female form and/or skin exposure, repeatedly
nude woman with appendages hiding gender-specifics
anatomical references, repeatedly
man and woman in bed together
cohabitation
sexual threats
camera angle to force viewer on private parts, repeatedly
prostitutes, many and prostitute dress, repeatedly
soliciting prostitution, repeatedly
talk of showing privates to each other
offer of sex, repeatedly
inappropriate touch
pedophile
threat of sexual torture
full male nudity with privates hidden by shadows, repeatedly, many angles
sexual innuendo

Drugs/Alcohol (D):

smoking, repeatedly
drinking, repeatedly
drunkenness, repeatedly
bar, repeatedly
booze, repeatedly
abuse of prescription medication

Offense to God (O)

"Goldy [a prostitute] worked the clergy"
speaking of eating not only flesh but souls as well
name calling with "fool" [Matt. 5:22]
eight uses of God's name in vain with the four letter expletive and six without

Murder/Suicide (M)

gunfire murder, at least 13 individual plus a multiple, graphic
axe to forehead murder, graphic
neck twist murder
beating murder, at least two, graphic
squeezing head murder
blade murders, at least six, graphic
arrow murder, at least three, graphic
murder by slicing off top of head, graphic
gunfire suicide, graphic

oh noes! "squeezing head murder"!

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Sunday, 3 April 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought it was pretty great! looked amazing and sounded great. it was funny and mostly pretty fast and incredibly entertaining.

i really like most of the actors and it was a lot of fun seeing them do what they do in this movie.

mickey rourke was the best. definitely the strongest segment and he KILLED the VO.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 3 April 2005 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i loved brittany murphy's voice in this movie

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 3 April 2005 01:02 (nineteen years ago) link

The ads for this had me worried, as it looked amost Tron-ish and it seemed it might be overly concerned with being faithfull to the source material to an extreme and I never read the Miller comic...but I really really loved it. It's a Titus Andronicus can you top this revenge tragedy like Kill Bill but with a very strong thematic moralism. Stephanie Zacharac in Salon nailed it very strongly in her review I think. It's a good movie to come out now since evil was portrayed as a politically corrupt theocracy which distorts the truth.
Strangely similar to The Passion of the Christ in the physical endurance tests of moral rightness the protagonists would be put through.

herbert hebert (herbert hebert), Sunday, 3 April 2005 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Which part did Tarantino direct?

The Yellow Kid, Sunday, 3 April 2005 06:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The head in the car sequence, I believe.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 3 April 2005 06:20 (nineteen years ago) link

He directed the scene scene in the car between Dwight (Owens) & Rafferty (del Toro), when the supposedly dead Rafferty starts talking.

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 3 April 2005 06:20 (nineteen years ago) link

this was so much better than either kill bill!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 3 April 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

something about this film reminds me of pornography. and no, i don't just mean the boobies.

-- Amateur(ist)

maybe you haven't seen much pornography.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I think maybe he means the fact that many of the gushing blood spurts were rendered in bright, vivid white.

Stupornaut (natepatrin), Sunday, 3 April 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahaha.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i found this movie to be exactly what i expected, and to have the same flaws as the "graphic novels" on which it was based. which is to say, it was nice-looking but pretty forgettable ultimately.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 3 April 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

the clive owen character was a total snooze. so he's some kind of sex machine, and he's helping out the hookers cause you know, he's nice. or something.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 3 April 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

and yeah, i haven't seen much pornography. but anyway i don't mean it LITERALLY looked like pornography, but it's appeal--both in terms of sex and violence AND visuals--had a pornographic quality. like the story was just a skeleton on which to hang the visuals and the sex and inventive violence.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 3 April 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i know i was just kiddin' witcha.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 3 April 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I was very torn by this movie. On the one hand: totally gorgeous looking, fantastically complete and immersive visual world, non-stop action, well edited, thoroughly "entertaining", fun fun fun. So it totally works at being what it's trying to be, which is a film adaptation of a comic book. So it's not as if it's a failure, and the reviews which allege that it is too violent clearly just don't get the horror/comic book context, nor do I buy the idea that it's ultimately "dull" because it's so focused. So on all those fronts, it's a great film as an experience for the eyes and ears. On the other hand: what we have is a film adapatation of a comic book adaptation of noir as a template, so this triple amplified chain of exaggerrating something that was an exaggerration of something that was already very crude becomes very dodgy in relation to gender and how "maleness" and "femaleness" get visually realized and scripted. I found it a kind of embarassing reductio ad absurdum of cartoon lovin' fanboy heterosexual male desire: hookers (with hearts of gold!) innocent wittle schoolgirls (that you get to watch grow up just enough so that you can fuck them! and when you do it's because THEY PUSH THEMSELVES ON YOU! yeah that happens ALL the time!) ie. there's this fucked up centrifugal engine at work in which women are desirable yet continually the objects of extremely sadistic violent energies- the plots try to resolve this thorugh splitting- there is the "evil psychopath" who incarnates the direct sexual sadism (the bad guys) and then there are the good guys who as vigilante figures outside the law etc. just go out and seek to do good in the name of the ladies they love (the absent "good" women who sit on the sidelines and suffer, and look awfully good as they suffer) which makes them laughably improbable and corny, and the whole thing, when viewed coldly and dispassionately, looks pretty sad, a pure distillation of adolescent flight from what sex is like, what interactions between men and women are like, the compromises and shadings of, um, actual human people. So yes the picture succeeds at being a gorgeous comic book, but in the process the intensely adult precision of its art direction and focus reveals very clearly that it was made by people who know that these plotlines and characters are utterly flat and clichéd which means that you have a creeping sensation of void or flight that washes over you.

To put it another way: The question for Rosario isn't "omg, you played a prostitute, that must have been hard, eh?" but "geeze isn't it corny that somebody is so out of touch with what an actual prostitute's life is like that they when they stage a gang of prostitutes they basically look like Tekken fighters as dressed by Hot Topic?". I know the knee jerk response is Dude, it's a comic book what do you expect? to which I would reply "the plot of your comic book makes the way you think about women and the way you think about yourself extremely obvious, and the relentless violence of that vision and the virgin/whore clichés that drive your fantasies seem really obvious and worn-out".

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Sunday, 3 April 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Drew OTM.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 3 April 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Dang.

Cabaret Voltron (PUNXSUTAWNEY PENIS), Sunday, 3 April 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i suppose the adolescent vision of sexuality on display is another reason i thought of the film as essentially pornographic.

the film didn't seem to have the conviction which would inspire me to be offended; it just left me feeling indifferent and a little chagrined.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 3 April 2005 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, the obvious counterexample people will bring up if you charge this film with sexism is "but the whores of old town have guns and they kill people with swordz and stuff"- but the scene in which those same prostitutes get mocked by Marv for thinking that they can tie him up and he indulgently and patronizingly lets them think they can control him pretty much puts them in their (inferior) place relative to the strong male tough guy who is wild and untameable etc.

The friend that I saw this with (milton) pointed out that a lot of Miller's lines read well on the page but sound corny when read aloud by actors- I haven't read the original comics- do other people think that this is true?

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Sunday, 3 April 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

some of the corniness was intentional--or perhaps it's just that certain actors weren't able to read such lines without putting a certain humorous ironic spin on them. michael madsen in particular read his lines as though he were in some kind of looney-tones noir parody.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 3 April 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i was just reading the other thread ("i loved sin city") and... i just can't identify with all the things that people have loved about this movie.... this movie obv pushes a lot of people's buttons but they just aren't my buttons. like, not at all.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 3 April 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

well, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum. what might be right for you, might not be right for some.


as they say.

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

well, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum. what might be right for you, might not be right for some.

but, this is exactly the point i was making.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i should add that before i checked my watch after the film was over, i was confident that the movie had been like 3 1/2 hours long.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

it doesn't appeal to me because there are no aliens in it. it might be nice to look at.

latebloomer: AKA Sir Teddy Ruxpin, Former Scientologist (latebloomer), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i dunno. i thought the flick moved along quickly, with it weighing down only in the later parts of the Dwight part and the 2nd half of The Yellow Bastard...

kingfish van pickles (Kingfish), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"The friend that I saw this with (milton) pointed out that a lot of Miller's lines read well on the page but sound corny when read aloud by actors- I haven't read the original comics- do other people think that this is true?"

The lines are pretty corny on the page too, but obv everything sounds cornier when you are actually hearing them read aloud. Both the comix and the movie kind of play the corniness for yuks too.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

The obviously clicked noir lines were hilarious! That's part of the point, it's got satire of noir built in. I mean, there is no universe in which "You kill him good!" can be delivered without laughter.

I'm still amazed that Frank Miller's leather/German fetish made it through intact. Not just the iron crosses, but the swastikas too! I've never completely unraveled what he's going at with it, and I don't think anyone's going to be able to analyze it through this film alone. His imfamous Batman story, "The Dark Knight Returns" has this element as well.

mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 4 April 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link


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