I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

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btw the Coates transcript is up at Democracy Now, if you can't listen.

"Yes, I will vote for Senator Sanders. My son influenced me."

Douthat needs no help.

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A friend and I walked past Douthat in a particularly gay part of Dupont Circle in 2009 #suspicions

reparations debate is the bulk of it xxp

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isnt douthat the dude who wrote that watching porn and masturbating is akin to adultery?

yes, which is why he's gay

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oh – I didn't know that Christie had officially suspended his campaign.

looks like a motherfucker with some dark secrets

if he liked the food at the diner my friend and I tried, I can believe it.

the food at that diner attached to the bookstore is OK, or used to be

The Ta-nehisi Coates interview is awesome.

isnt douthat the dude who wrote that watching porn and masturbating is akin to adultery?

uh hello doesn't that just make it hotter

^^^ Agreed. The Michelle Alexander piece, also.

isnt douthat the dude who wrote that watching porn and masturbating is akin to adultery?

uh hello doesn't that just make it hotter

― j., Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:13 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^ Agreed. The Michelle Alexander piece, also.

― the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:13 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea that piece was super hot

loool

i worked at a dupont circle bookstore for a few years. leon wieseltier and charles krauthammer were regulars

sold a lot of copies of Foreign Policy for Dummies eh

he can't hang out in Politics and Prose b/c he understands neither.

it's amazing to me that christie's only material achievement in this race as been to cut marco rubio's hamstrings and hand trump and even bigger margin in NH.

ahaha lol, was definitely responding to freddy b there. though i would agree that michelle alexander was on fire.

I know a bunch of zionist jews who think hilary is vehemently anti-israel so not sure that appeal is going to go very far.

(I think they are wrong but whatever)

reminds me of hedge funders who think Obama is anticapitalist

(also by ' a bunch' I mean two)

i don't think hillary is vehemently anti-israel, but i'm not sure she has a strong case for being better* for israel than bernie. *whatever that means

wtf more do they want out of her, to take a pied a terre in a West Bank settlement?

and i can attest that in my world of left-centrist orthodox jewry there is a lot of consternation over who to vote for and i know at least 3 or 4 ppl who were staunch clinton/gore/kerry/obama voters and now claim (possibly trolling) that they'll vote republican this election.

left-centrist orthodox jewry voting for Donald Trump does not compute

republicans and netanyahu have really skewed perceptions I think; as israel has gotten bolder and more invasive in it's move into the west bank, anything short of welcoming that on the part of the US is being portrayed in some circles as "anti-Israel".

small portions of twitter appeared perturbed that bernie described himself as the child of 'polish immigrants'

something that comes up a lot is concern over what some ppl have characterized as "hostile" emails re israel that have been disclosed in recent email dumps. idk, i think that case is overstated but i've looked at the evidence and there is something there - it's not just a fantasy. you may not be surprised to learn that just like other americans, zionist american jews don't know if they can trust hillary.

(my two aren't supporting Trump. they just don't know what to do if Clinton is the nominee because they think she and Obama are anti-Israel. It's perverse).

what pols think in their correspondence shouldn't concern anybody. I'm sure many craven neo-Likud US reps think in their heart of hearts that "God said this was my house 5000 years ago" is lunacy.

zionist american jews who situate the jewish claim for israel exclusively (or even primarily) within a religious context are generally speaking republican voters bc that's the party of explicit, outspoken religious testimony. most left-wing zionist jews either dismiss that as a claim entirely, or see it as part of a broader constellation of circumstances including arguments from historical necessity, unbroken jewish presence in the land, historical kingdom of israel, arab antisemitism, etc.

in my experience*, i really shouldn't speak for other ppl

small portions of twitter appeared perturbed that bernie described himself as the child of 'polish immigrants'

― mookieproof, Wednesday, February 10, 2016 1:41 PM (2 minutes ago)

this small segment of ilx is pleased

what is the zionist case against bernie?

says he doesn't like bibi, has criticized israel for aggressiveness, named Larry Korb, James Zogby, and J Street as his israel advisors, etc

ew Zogby

i've heard (but not substantiated myself) that he didn't want to arm israel in 1973

this is really not the thread for it but i just cannot fathom the idea of being a left-wing zionist. i don't disbelieve mordy that that could exist but "arguments from historical necessity, unbroken jewish presence in the land, historical kingdom of israel, arab antisemitism, etc." don't strike me as having much to do with what i understand as the Left, or at least don't have any special compatibility with the left vs. the right that would trump the leftist insistence on social and economic justice, the critique of domination, colonialism and military force etc. etc. or does "left-wing" here mean Democrats? sincere question but again maybe for another thread.

yeah wouldn't that have been awful

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that is a question for another thread but yeah I think left-wing there means lefty on other non-Israel related issues

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yes, probably? 1973 is when egypt launched a surprise attack on israel during yom kippur that PM golda meir considered at the time to be an existential threat to the nation xp

and yeah, left-wing does not necessarily imply post-colonialism, tho i think a post-colonialism case for the jewish state is not very difficult to make but this is not really the thread for it

I have some in my family fwiw

Mordy otm re: 1973. I'm hardly a zionist myself but Israel was quite clearly not the aggressor there

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left-centrist orthodox jewry voting for Donald Trump does not compute

Is Trump the only candidate with Orthodox grand-kids?