I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

you guys are aware that's not gonna run on TV right

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it's way too long for one thing

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just got my absentee ballot for the Illinois dem primary and there are other possibilities I didn't know of! I may vote for Willie Wilson, who ran for mayor of Chicago in 2015 and came in third with 10% of the vote. his website gives no platform, just his life story, but that sounds good to me. I was thinking about voting for Rocky de la Fuente, who owns car dealerships in southern California, but he's a conservative Dem, no need for that.

also I can vote for delegates to the national convention but only for Clinton or Sanders so I may sit that one out.

I mean I'll probably vote for Clinton in the real election, but this is for Illinois, where I don't even live anymore, and I think treating this like I treat most ILX polls makes sense.

you guys are aware that's not gonna run on TV right

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― Οὖτις, Friday, February 12, 2016 5:34 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

you guys are aware that's not gonna run on TV right

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Pierce:

...(C)ynic that I am, I also am Catholic enough to believe in redemption, and I also am an adherent of the political philosophy espoused by Benjamin Bow Hannaford, the fictional president created by the late Drew Pearson in two novels: in a democracy, the right things always get done for the wrong reasons. For whatever the reasons, sincere or strategic or something in between, HRC has gotten right where she needs to be going into South Carolina. However, even as she uses the Obama presidency as both sword and shield, she also has to hope that the African-American voters down in the home office of American sedition don't remember what she and her husband said about the president before she went to work for him....

(Clinton:) "I am not a single-issue candidate, and I do not believe we live in a single-issue country."

Now, it's preposterous in the extreme to say that Bernie Sanders, of all people, is a one-issue candidate in this context. He was fighting for LGBT rights when the previous president Clinton was signing DOMA. He was railing against the monied interests when the previous president Clinton was signing away Glass-Steagall. He was standing up for unions when the previous president Clinton was pushing NAFTA. It also is preposterous in the extreme to believe that Sanders doesn't realize that economic inequality is the only form of inequality that needs to be addressed in the country. But HRC did an exceptional job making that argument on Thursday and, maybe, she has put away the things of her husband's presidency and truly has been moved by the populist ferment that, in truth, began on the lawn of the Wisconsin state capital five years ago this week. Anything's possible. What is undeniable, however, is that, absent the presence of Bernie Sanders in this campaign, we'd never know any of that for sure.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a42081/democratic-debate-milwaukee-recap/

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, February 12, 2016 10:53 AM (1 hour ago)

this is excellent, and (believe it or not) articulates some of the feelings i've been having about clinton, her possible redemption, and me trying to talk myself into not disliking her as much

i don't bleeve it of her

fool me twice, won't get fooled again, as W said

also wow, that ad. doctor casino otm

Well we got a new GOP South Carolina poll

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/12/opinion-savvy-poll-conducted-for-augusta-chronicle-morris-news-and-fox-5-atlanta-trumps-holds-substantial-lead-in-south-carolina-battle-for-second-is-tight/

And...

"Trump: 36%
Cruz: 19%
Rubio: 15%
Bush: 11%
Kasich: 9%
Carson: 5%
Undecided: 5%"

SC has the best state flag

Kasich, very liberal

haha rubio continuing to build momentum with a big 3rd place finish!

it's crazy how super-PAC money has basically fucked the GOP establishment this time around. Not an outcome I would have predicted. Trump looking increasingly like the nominee, can only imagine how well his "I hate Mexicans" shit is gonna play in the Southwest GOP enclaves

the sanders promo upthread is the first campaign ad i've seen that isn't oppositional to a candidate but oppositional to a system in a way that is thought provoking and human
and it's hopeful! it's suggesting a way forward that's based on accountability and consideration.
good on bernie

this is excellent, and (believe it or not) articulates some of the feelings i've been having about clinton, her possible redemption, and me trying to talk myself into not disliking her as much

I don't think it's that insane, particularly in a solid one-party state, to draw that line in the sand.

you gonna draw that line in the general election?

what % of ppl who say the iraq war vote is disqualifying would not have held it against biden in a primary

amazing ad

xxp - yep. Like I said, solid one-party state I don't have to make tactical voting decisions, my ballot is irrelevant. Even in a closer state, hundreds of thousands of dead, 1.5 trillion wasted in the process and voting for it out of political cowardice would probably still stop me.

i just can't see Clinton NOT putting on some hyper capitalist warhawk for her Supreme Court pick(s). i can easily see a Clinton justice voting corporate in the next Citizen's United.

i think social progress is something that is bipartisan and local/regional more than federal/national. the internet is showing us new ways of communicating and getting our message heard through new channels.

Biden is a horrendous pig in nearly as many ways as HRC

yeah probably moreso imo

(and he has proved even worse at running for president)

https://www.ted.com/talks/jennifer_8_lee_looks_for_general_tso
yeah, i know ted talk but still

whoops wrong thread

nah cuz Biden is chicken

this is excellent, and (believe it or not) articulates some of the feelings i've been having about clinton, her possible redemption, and me trying to talk myself into not disliking her as much

A friend's mom got super pissy on Facebook because I responded to something about Clinton saying that she could never earn my vote because any politician who voted to invade Iraq is dead to me.
I don't think it's that insane, particularly in a solid one-party state, to draw that line in the sand.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, February 12, 2016 1:15 PM (19 minutes ago)

oh don't get me wrong, i would never vote for her. i just...would like to be pleasantly surprised

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/nevada-democratic/

first poll out of nevada looks good for bernie

that is crazy

a huge swing in just a month!

if clinton had spent the last decade demonstrating that she'd learned something from the iraq debacle instead of lobbying for "tough" responses to every single foreign policy issue, i might consider supporting her

i'm reading the poll now. ~1200 registered voters, 2/3 of them are 45+. even split for bernie/hillary. no data on race though

wowwwwww.

it's one poll, though, and a caucus state, so let's not get too carried away. (also, 538's model - smartly - devalues polls as they get old, so one brand-new one, after a lonnng drought, gets a ton of emphasis in the model. the model is presumably not really designed for situations where everybody stops polling for a long while. presumably in the next few days a bunch more data will be coming in.)

hillary's campaign manager is from nevada, and he delivered it last year. I don't put much stock in bernie's odds there. its also a stupid caucus.

Hillary won a caucus in Nevada last year?

Hillary just published a very pro-union column on...medium? This is odd on multiple levels, including her description of herself as
"Wife, mom, grandma, women+kids advocate, FLOTUS, Senator, SecState, hair icon, pantsuit aficionado, 2016 presidential candidate."

https://medium.com/@HillaryClinton/organizing-to-raise-wages-f7ee4ec2ee0b#.8f6cf2who

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/nevada-democratic/

first poll out of nevada looks good for bernie

― k3vin k., Friday, February 12, 2016 1:47 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok holy shit. This is a glitch in the matrix or something.

Rubio has moved to the "Message: I care" phase of his programming.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/talking-to-marco-rubio-a-scripted-candidate-suddenly-gets-chatty/2016/02/12/2bd9d0e4-d10a-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html

Hillary won a caucus in Nevada last year?

― Οὖτις, Friday, February 12, 2016 6:54 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-nevada-caucus-robby-mook-emmy-ruiz

yeah I dont remember either, but it happened!

ok holy shit. This is a glitch in the matrix or something.

or... people are finding out who Sanders is and the combined poles of appealing platform/not a Clinton/is a white man are helping him gain enormous ground

hillary's campaign manager is from nevada, and he delivered it last year. I don't put much stock in bernie's odds there. its also a stupid caucus.

I don't think I put much stock in the performance of Hilary's campaign manager with a different candidate in a different election with a different opponent, either!

my mom just told me she doesn't like anybody. she wants obama for another four years. she says she can understand him.

lol @ "mook mafia"

sup

hey bro can you fix some caucus results for me

i'm with dan on this; it's weird that people are freaking out that an old white male democrat with a youth movement behind him might be an insurgent candidate against an entrenched woman with decades of rancor against her. Of course he is!

well, it's just against the backdrop of a lot of conventional wisdom, going back months and endlessly pundit-repeated, that okay sure those first two states might go okay for him but after that he's really gonna hit a wall. if this poll proves not to be an outlier, it would signal a meaningful shift in that narrative - that, while everybody's been repeating it, bernie has been doing something with those groups of people where he was supposedly dead on arrival - and that would be startling. but we don't know enough yet.

yeah that doesn't really hold up considering no one actually saw this coming

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