thread of getting sw0le

rippetoe has one of those big weird muscly bellys

― lag∞n, Friday, February 19, 2016 11:49 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is what has always put me off actually reading Starting Strength, although rationally it seems more likely that he just eats a horrible diet than is fat bc of his program.

lol his advice on nutrition is notoriously suspect

ya the thing abt having strength as yr fitness goal its much easier if you just eat a ton of food which is maybe not actually that healthy and very likely not that sexy

No. 3: Eat Enough
Most people will not eat enough during the program so they won’t recover and wind up getting stuck. Depending on your height, eat between 3,500 and 6,000 calories a day with at least one gram of protein per pound of body weight. The caloric surplus traditionally comes from milk. Supplements can be used to make up the deficit between meals and this requirement.

so i mean if yr looking to loose some fat around yr mid section i wld consider not eating 6k calories a day

maybe just 5000 will do

yeah I mean I read that and went "lol I am not training for the World's Strongest Man competition, come on dude"

my current fitness regime is "carry my twin toddlers around as much as possible" which has given me the best arms I've ever had; I fear that's not a sustainable workout plan, though

like losing body fat and gaining strength are fairly oppositional goals

its not impossible to do both at the same time but its muuch easier to only do one

which doesnt mean u shdnt lift weights if you want to lose body fat just that u shdnt expect huge gains in the amount u can lift

idk i totally changed my body composition and got the gainz from just not eating semi-clean and lifting a lot . no cardios

just not eating semi-clean

despite my "black Hulk that fits in yr pocket" fantasies, that is a lower priority than the cardio thing, which would have direct impact on my breath stamina when singing, so while swole is a goal I'm okay with not getting there right away (wait until I hit 50 and the midlife crisis BECOMES REAL, tho; I might try to live on nothing but protein powder)

I really can't get with the purist max gains strength/powerlifting program because ultimately my goal is not to lift the max amount of weights at all costs. The strength purists get annoying inasmuch as they act like max weight pushed/pulled is the only goal anyone should reach for. I want to be stronger, but I also want to play bball better and try to develop a muscular but svelte aesthetic.

I am stronger than when I started, and it feels really fucking good -- when I am swinging my four-year-old around like nothing, when I am just like standing in the boss's office and I feel the solidity of myself, the way my legs feel like they are rooting me in the ground, like I can't be easily pushed over. It's good but there is a limit to how much better I'm going to feel from even more of that. There is no scenario in which I actually have to lift 300lbs off the ground or press 180lbs over my head, so as much as I hope to one day reach those goals, I'm not in a hurry.

And yeah I have also seen body comp changes from a program that is like 80-90% lifting and relatively good eating with a lot of protein.

idk i totally changed my body composition and got the gainz from just eating semi-clean and lifting a lot . no cardios

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, February 19, 2016 12:05 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

semi clean huh

I basically do one of the three compound lifts, followed by a few more targeted exercises for the same muscles, followed by either a short jumprope session, a short ab session, or a stability training thing I kind of made up but that seems useful to bball (medicine ball movements while standing on a wobble board).

i mean u guys yes if you go from eating poorly and not exercising to eating somewhat better and exercising yr body will change and u will be able to lift heavier weight, and if you ate 6k calories a day you wld be able to lift even heavier weight, and if you ate healthier and less you wld have less body fat and be able to lift less, this point is not actually hard to understand

no sugar, no dairy, very little processed food but i wasn't all paleo or whatever i'd eat rice and beans and a little whole wheat bread once in awhile .xxp

back to my original point getting gainz is prob not the healthiest fitness goal, tho if it motivates you its def way better than nothing

oh yeah i agree i was a complete mess dietarily so i definitely benefited from noob gainz

just eating better than i was and lifting heavy was enough for me to lean out and get stronger for a good year

I just googled to find a pic of Mark Rippetoe because I didn't know what he looked like

http://content.tigerfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/mark-rippetoe1.jpg

I'm just gonna come right out and say that this is not my fitness goal so I will be dialing back on the caloric intake if I incorporate his training program into my workouts

yeah his basic workout is great, and his technical advice on those lifts individually is terrific, but overall you can take or leave his approach with his very powerlifter-y

lol rippetoe is such a weirdo, the whole youtube lifting scene is populated by maniacs, its such a funny contrast to running youtube where everyone is the boringist person in the world

and then the anxious serenity of yoga youtube

http://i.imgur.com/6NuTIld.png

me uniting all the youtube fitness cultures

if u rly want maniac fitness youtube, check out flexibility youtube. kelly starrett, i mean, he wrote a book called "the supple leopard," it's real

that does sounds good

i wish to be supple

i think rippetoe shittalked him at some point? i know i watched a youtube of him poo-pooing long elaborate stretching routines, something like "there's all the people rolling around on lacrosse balls and shit now"

stretching is so nice, feels good man

I have come to really enjoy lifting youtubes though, even/especially the maniacs and all the intra-fitness squabbles.

haha starrett has some interesting views on mobility some are really good and others are out there.

who here fs w the foam roller

I watched every single Elgintensity gym fails video and felt sad that there weren't more.

oh man i get spooked enough under the bar, i don't need to see any of that

I have come to really enjoy lifting youtubes though, even/especially the maniacs and all the intra-fitness squabbles.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, February 19, 2016 12:29 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah they r fun for sure, i often watch documentaries on youtube (of which it has an incredible section btw) and im frequently sidetracked by the lifting videos in my recommended pane, im all just one lifting video first

who here fs w the foam roller

― lag∞n, Friday, February 19, 2016 12:29 PM (1 minute ago)

i have but i never know if it actually does anything to help.

like for sore quads i'd roll them out but idk

yeah ive never done it consistently enough, it feels like its working

that reminds me: a month or so ago a guy asked me to spot him. he was a big dude, and was doing 225 on the incline bench. (my new gym has a nice incline bench with a platform for spotters)

first he says "i'm pretty tired, i'm only gonna get 2." then he takes a suicide grip. after he does 2 he's like "1 more 1 more." dude please do not involve me in the breaking of all your facial bones today thx. it all worked out but i hate that shit.

i've watched youtubes on muscle fascia release and it's kinda hooky xp

def not too into any faces of death type shit

A lot of it is just people doing really stupid-looking things with exercise equipment or having terrible and ridiculous form. There are very few that look like possible severe injuries. It's a pretty base pleasure though and barely even a pleasure.

I just found out yesterday that my own squat form is a lot worse than I thought (I'm hitting depth but pronating inward and rounding my back a little), so I have no real place to laugh. Time to dial back the weight again. Progress is slow.

i wld watch videos of ppl falling over def, just no major injuries

haha starrett has some interesting views on mobility some are really good and others are out there.

I've been reading Becoming a Supple Leopard, not a leopard yet btw, and yeah he mixes ideas and methods that are solid and constructive with a few other ideas and methods that I have no desire to test on myself. I've looked at a couple of his YouTube videos but basically only know the book, so I'm kind of clueless about where he's coming from -- healing the CrossFit halt and lame, I guess?

The "Principles and Theory" section of his book is good, I find myself trying to apply his ideas about spinal mechanics and hip/shoulder torque in a lot of different situations. OTOH, damn, bro, would it kill you to put in a few citations? It's okay to admit you've read some research. The book doesn't even mention where he went to school or what he studied, though he's Dr. Kelly Starrett on the cover and mentions his physical therapy practice. I'm sure his credentials are fine but his jocular writing style feels anti-academic, like he's afraid he'll lose readers if they see a footnote.

I've had some good results fixing a jacked-up shoulder with some of his exercises, so more power to him.

the fitness reddit wiki is surprisingly usefu for getting started djp

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/wiki/getting_started#wiki_adding_exercise

I think it might be time for me to start with this mobility stuff, therein might be the key to my squat problems.

more mobility is always a good thing, but my flexibility is awful and my squats are fine fwiw

I borrowed the Starrett book, I was pretty eeeeehhhh on the whole thing. Like the Paleo people, fetishizing and over-complicating something ('mobility is important' 'eat whole foods') that should be super simple.

Everyone over the age of 30 should probably be doing daily stretching and/or yoga is a much simpler way to put it, but then you can't sell an enormous $40 hardback I guess.