I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

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We should be enjoying watching the best the GOP had to offer getting trampled by an Ebaumsworld sockpuppet

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Saturday, 27 February 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link

to get the nomination? it's looking that way, no?

I think a brokered convention is an inevitability. I think the party knows that he is in no way sympathetic to the actual party or its needs, and they will sabotage a potential Trump candidacy at the convention if Rubio's latest tack doesn't hold.

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 27 February 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link

(xposts) Yes--and I'll say, yet again, that got a bit of a preview of that in 2012. Exactly the same: the RNC/party establishment wanted a smooth nomination for Romney, it was anything but, and he got stuck fighting off a bunch of novelty-candidates who were too prideful and/or selfish to drop out. That time, the center held. (In the Yeats, not the political sense.)* This time, new territory.

*(I don't read Yeats in my spare time; I know that phrase from Nixon.)

clemenza, Saturday, 27 February 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link

i keep trying to read about the nominating process and how a brokered convention would go down, but as far as i understand it, the elected delegates (from the primaries and caucuses) are required to vote for trump on the first ballot, right? so if he wins a majority of the delegates, how can someone else be nominated?

k3vin k., Saturday, 27 February 2016 20:21 (eight years ago) link

Given the amount of "saying the quiet parts out loud" that has happened over the course of the Obama administration, I kind of agree that a contested convention is possible, if the GOP really decides it would rather keep its entrenched donor base than let Trump take the nomination. They very well might be tone deaf and careless enough to just show the whole world what they actually think of "democracy."

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Saturday, 27 February 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link

So "brokered convention" is an obsolete term because delegates are not dealt by brokers anymore. As you point out. A contested convention might be possible but really, after Tuesday, the only way that happens is if the RNC decides to fuck with the rules (and they very well might).

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks.

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Saturday, 27 February 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link

felt that waywhen McCain named Palin his vp candidate

But he got forced to take Palin by the GOP, right, since he wanted that Joementum as his running mate?

Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Saturday, 27 February 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link

read "by the GOP" as "by GOD" the first time

you are no man. take the balls. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 27 February 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link

delegates are not dealt by brokers anymore.

right. delegates can cut their own deals now.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 27 February 2016 21:40 (eight years ago) link

only way that happens is if the RNC decides to fuck with the rules (and they very well might).

I think it's really unfair, if not downright unconstitutional, to have a controversial, divisive convention in an election year. The most fair solution would be to wait until the election is over, and then have a convention.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 February 2016 21:50 (eight years ago) link

It would be great if Trump and Rubio both claimed to be the nominee afterwards

you are no man. take the balls. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 27 February 2016 21:53 (eight years ago) link

Lol

Οὖτις, Saturday, 27 February 2016 21:56 (eight years ago) link

I know predictions are supposed to be anathema these days because Everything Is Different Now. But.

There will not be convention shenanigans. No, Trump will not have an absolute majority of votes, but he will have an inarguable plurality and by far the most delegates. Two almosts and two nevers can't unite to stop one big Fuck Yeah.

Unpledged delegates (and delegates pledged to minor candidates) can technically roam wither they will, but they won't. This isn't the age of muttonchop whiskers any more; smoke-filled back rooms are no longer tenable. If Trump has the lead in delegates, they will acquiesce and nominate him because the alternative is Epic Shitstorm.

Trump wouldn't need to run third party, all he would need to do is walk away, taking his millions of rabid idiots with him.

living colour me badd english beat happening (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 27 February 2016 22:02 (eight years ago) link

I have no idea how the GOP will handle a Trump-anointing convention, but p sure it won't be by nominating Rubio instead, going against the clear voice of the voters..

living colour me badd english beat happening (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 27 February 2016 22:05 (eight years ago) link

Perhaps McConnell will bring a live bear to the convention

you are no man. take the balls. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 27 February 2016 22:10 (eight years ago) link

I don't know what McConnell will do, but I think most GOP establishment pros will discover they have a previous engagement, and decline to attend.

living colour me badd english beat happening (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 27 February 2016 22:18 (eight years ago) link

Splinter party...the Nupublicanz

you are no man. take the balls. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 27 February 2016 22:20 (eight years ago) link

I can see them undermining democracy. Trump's lies are so brazen and blatant, they could make a case that he is simply unqualified to represent them. Shady, yeah, but the alternative is the Party is heretofore totally beholden to this Rush Limbaugh-like motherfucker, it's like a dog walks man situation

spirited ai weiwei (Treeship), Saturday, 27 February 2016 22:44 (eight years ago) link

Some shit he says would probably be considered hate speech in some parts of Europe. "Obama is only letting in Muslim refugees, purposely excluding Christians." "The refugees are all young men, not families." "Muslims in America celebrated on 9/11 in mass numbers." It's not even dogwhistling. He's implying that Muslims are a clear and present danger, and lying blatantly to give this impression. It's so many bridges too far.

spirited ai weiwei (Treeship), Saturday, 27 February 2016 22:47 (eight years ago) link

Maybe I am naive but I am shocked that this is happening, and shocked at Christie, who I always hated as a New Jersey native, but always took to be more of a heartless conservative than a racist demagogue.

spirited ai weiwei (Treeship), Saturday, 27 February 2016 22:50 (eight years ago) link

heretofore totally beholden to this Rush Limbaugh-like motherfucker,

well, they've been beholden to the actual limbaugh for decades now....

christie is revealing that his driving emotion is spite, since i think he's endorsed trump to spite the party's leaders, who failed to fall in line behind him

wizzz! (amateurist), Saturday, 27 February 2016 22:55 (eight years ago) link

It just sort of feels like the end of the world

spirited ai weiwei (Treeship), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:26 (eight years ago) link

when you consider that he's going to fail spectacularly and the democrats are going to make gains across the board, it really doesn't

k3vin k., Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:39 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I'm pretty optimistic. The GOP is eating itself alive.

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:43 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I'm with k3vin and Moodles - GOPsplosion will be great for Democrats (and I are one, so I like it).

living colour me badd english beat happening (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:44 (eight years ago) link

been thinking about this https://twitter.com/adrian_gray/status/702466567058104320

maybe the reason for his popularity is the coverage and publicity. what he's saying is the reason he's getting publicity, but not why people are voting for him. a lot of people are voting him because he's on tv, and they're barely hearing from anyone else.

while he has 5 or 10 opponents, publicity only benefits him. once it gets down to a two horse race, any coverage of him is implicitly coverage of his opponent too, so the power of publicity evaporates.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:44 (eight years ago) link

Apologies in advance for size. Saw this on Twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcKPVTfXEAALkaU.jpg

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:45 (eight years ago) link

i mean, barring catastrophe between now and november, the supreme court is going to lean liberal for the next 25 years. that's reason for optimism

k3vin k., Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:51 (eight years ago) link

(assuming ginsburg and breyer retire during hillary's term, which they almost certainly would)

k3vin k., Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:52 (eight years ago) link

xp I hope so caek.

I really hope we are seeing the implosion of the GOP rather than its transformation into something even uglier. I am 80% certain hill or bern (probably hillary) will trounce trump in the general, but i am concerned about his ability to get his supporters to the polls, especially white independents in swing states

spirited ai weiwei (Treeship), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:52 (eight years ago) link

Either way, I am disgusted that trump's brand of blatant racism has infiltrated the mainstream.

spirited ai weiwei (Treeship), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:54 (eight years ago) link

right. there's a 80–90% chance this will work out for the better (note that i did not say "best"), but the 10–20% chance that it won't is terrifying.

wizzz! (amateurist), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:54 (eight years ago) link

xpost

wizzz! (amateurist), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:54 (eight years ago) link

I am thinking a lot about the number of global warming related refugees we will see in the next few decades. I really don't want our country to get used to a "build a wall, they're rapists" way of thinking.

spirited ai weiwei (Treeship), Saturday, 27 February 2016 23:56 (eight years ago) link

get ready for a lot of 'progressive' white ppl chastising black ppl for not voting 'in their own interests'

• (sleepingbag), Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:15 (eight years ago) link

according to Chuck Todd, Sanders' piss poor SC performance means he's vying for prime time speaking space at the convention.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:15 (eight years ago) link

Wow Hillary crushed it

Οὖτις, Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:24 (eight years ago) link

It's a shame but I can live with her as a candidate.

spirited ai weiwei (Treeship), Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:29 (eight years ago) link

wow uh i thought it'd be a little closer than this. some of those whose predictions i trust from the previous cycles have been saying the nomination is pretty much over since nevada. also that maybe warren will endorse hillary soon?

arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:32 (eight years ago) link

I'll vote for Hillary.

I would've also picked the wrench because fuck 'em that's why.

pplains, Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:34 (eight years ago) link

So grossed out by Human Rights Campaign shirts and paraphernalia at Clinton rally. Do they think it's cute that their abbreviations match?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:39 (eight years ago) link

Shhhh! Don't tell them she voiced support for Hosni Mubarak!

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:44 (eight years ago) link

hillary has certainly done some very fucked up things in the past but ultimately i'm happy to vote for her, more and more i find myself in agreement with daria g's and mordy's earlier positive posts about her (now hidden in this massive thread). there is a lot i don't like about her and i know there would be a lot of shit i would hate about her presidency but there is also a lot that i do like about her, i think she's a pretty fascinating person and i am super excited about voting for a woman.

marcos, Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:48 (eight years ago) link

yes we know

k3vin k., Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:50 (eight years ago) link

I can see them undermining democracy. Trump's lies are so brazen and blatant, they could make a case that he is simply unqualified to represent them. Shady, yeah, but the alternative is the Party is heretofore totally beholden to this Rush Limbaugh-like motherfucker, it's like a dog walks man situation

― spirited ai weiwei (Treeship), Saturday, February 27, 2016 5:44 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Some shit he says would probably be considered hate speech in some parts of Europe. "Obama is only letting in Muslim refugees, purposely excluding Christians." "The refugees are all young men, not families." "Muslims in America celebrated on 9/11 in mass numbers." It's not even dogwhistling. He's implying that Muslims are a clear and present danger, and lying blatantly to give this impression. It's so many bridges too far.

― spirited ai weiwei (Treeship), Saturday, February 27, 2016 5:47 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it possible, i guess, that they would fight trump in the convention to avoid nominating him but CERTAINLY NOT because he is a racist shitbag and "rush-limbaugh-like"

marcos, Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:50 (eight years ago) link

Inevitability means I feel nothing at all (it's really her husband I despise). But she's likely the next president after the grotesqueries on the GOP side this week.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:51 (eight years ago) link

a guy was wearing a "KKK supports trump" shirt at one of his rallies today. he got thrown out, and then without any irony trump, lamenting the slow response of the security team, goes "you know, this is how political correctness is ruining our country"

k3vin k., Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:52 (eight years ago) link

obama was asked the other day by the press about his thoughts on trump and the other cast of characters, he was pretty otm in saying that trump isn't really saying things that are that different from the rest of the GOP candidates, they all say xenophobic shit about muslims, none of them believe in climate change, they are all pretty much on board with shitting on illegal immigrants

marcos, Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:53 (eight years ago) link

which is why he has never sounded like a betrayal of National Review conservatism to me

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 February 2016 00:53 (eight years ago) link


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