I will keep doing, but not worth it! The 2016 Presidential Primary Voting Thread

"Fat Tony." Seems like anti-New York, anti-Italian dogwhistling tbh.

ok im on board trump is a hillary sleeper agent there can be no doubt

Talking Points Memo ‏@TPM 36m36 minutes ago
Trump refuses to distance himself from David Duke and white supremacists http://bit.ly/1XSZ3Gu

I think he is just showing his characteristic scrupulousness, refusing to speak on a topic before he knows absolutely all the facts

admittedly these are extremely difficult decision that im glad i will never have to make but clintons continued bias toward military interventionism is extremely troubling to me http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html

― lag∞n, Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:33 AM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's pretty sad how hillary more or less lost the nomination last time around because of this, hasn't shown she's learned much and dems now i guess just dgaf

xxxxp Il Douché

i think shes seen to be more serious now via her SOS stint but yeah her actions seem to reveal the same tendencies xp

but now she's got a warmaking resume, it's like the end of The Wizard of Oz.

Christie really put the toad back in toady on the morning shows this morning. The contrast between his pro-Trump arguments and the anti-Trump video clips from literally 2 weeks ago were vomit-inducingly hilarious.

Was just about to post the exact same thought...It was painful watching that.

Kasich's bursting out of the gates this morning with some bold new words for Trump on Super Tuesday:

"I think Trump's probably going to win probably all of them. But you keep holding your own, and we have our campaign plan," Kasich said on CNN's "State of the Union." "I mean, everybody has to do it the way they want to do it. Our way of doing it — our campaign plan was ultimately to, you know, hold our own in some of these places, and we will, I expect."

Vote for Kasich! He's gonna hold his own in some of those places, he expects, you know

the plan afaik is keeping DT one delegate short of the nomination

I don't really think "berniesplaining" (an awful coinage) is really an accurate description of Bernie's problem with black voters -- condescension was not the problem, it was the fact that he was an unknown quantity and Clinton was a very well known quantity, and that most voters (including African American voters) don't just read platforms and pick a candidate. In other words, Bernie didn't struggle with the black community because his supporters "splained" too much, he struggled with the black community because people are skeptics.

Condescension was a big massive fucking problem

mordy there has been quite a bit of american intervention in syria and it's arguable that it's been extremely counterproductive in many ways

here's the wikipedia page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Syria

here's a recent hersh article talking about how the US military has taken matters into its own hands, behind the back of its CiC - http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military

btw i think suzy's epithet is pretty matchless and it shouldn't go unremarked

the hersh piece is wacky. the us has done some intervention however it is has been extremely limited as obama has dragged his feet from the beginning of the conflict - first not providing anything to the rebels and then slowly providing non-military equipment and finally some military equipment. US participation has barely done anything to change the tide of the war and like i pointed out, any intercession they have done has been on behalf of the rebels (supposedly non-ISIS aligned) and the majority of deaths have been from regime-affiliated forces.

like unless your argument is that the US is what has been standing between assad peacefully retaking his country and not the sunni rebel forces, their supporters in turkey + saudi arabia, assad's heavy-handed violence, fear of iran, etc, i don't see how you can claim that US intervention is what has turned it into the world's most terrible ongoing crisis.

ha owned http://gawker.com/how-we-fooled-donald-trump-into-retweeting-benito-musso-1761795039

Thanks, Tracer - but it's swiped from an ILex-0r who had a relevant photoshop on Facebook.

If we really wanted to press the issue, some willing volunteer has to swap his conditioner for Nair. Nobody, least of all Il Douché himself, would notice the faint sulfur whiff of Nair in action.

the possibility that Trump's tax returns will reveal business dealings with the Mafia.

Yeah that's specifically called out in box 14 line b of the 1040. "Amount of Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) attributable to Fat Tony. (NOTE: to itemize income from other mafiosi, including Leo the Nose, Slim Sal, and Big Guido, please use Form 97J.)

Xxxxxxp i think that post was berniesplaining berniesplaining

I don't really think "berniesplaining" (an awful coinage) is really an accurate description of Bernie's problem with black voters -- condescension was not the problem, it was the fact that he was an unknown quantity and Clinton was a very well known quantity, and that most voters (including African American voters) don't just read platforms and pick a candidate. In other words, Bernie didn't struggle with the black community because his supporters "splained" too much, he struggled with the black community because people are skeptics.
Condescension was a big massive fucking problem

― its subtle brume (DJP), Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:57 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it certainly hasn't helped, but i think (the better parts of) that blow piece make a good case for why black folks are, all else being equal, inclined to support the establishment dem over the uncertain idealist pick

bernie bros shd consider that while it might not be the whole story being condescended to by ppl who have no idea what their talking abt is generally an unpleasant experience

Amount of Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) attributable to Fat Tony.

Funny! Cruz suggested it was hidden in his dealings with construction companies. I'm sure Ted Cruz has a detailed and intimate knowledge of mob life.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcUJIvdUcAImmST.jpg

lol

it's seriously so funny to me what certain people will believe, like seriously what kind of echo chamber do you have to live in to believe that

Yah bernie fans are not that scary or irrational in general, they will come out to vote against a kkk-approved candidate in november

ron paul-turned-bernie bros who congregate on reddit prolly? your independent bernie supporters, i gather

i know one dude voting for jill stein, but thats going to be a v small number

he votes in ohio, i told him, k when trump picks jose canseco as SCOTUS judge u come holler at me

People are mostly excited just to have an unrepentantly progressive platform being discussed, it's not exactly a tough phenomenon to unpack

There's definitely a sizable ex-Ron Paul fan contingent of Bernie Sanders supporters that I would not count on to vote intelligently

Full disclosure i voted for jill stein in 2012 but i was in a blue state

Haha xposts

bern got hrc to commit to a $12/hr min wage through mostly bullshitting his way through a campaign that shouldve never gotten off the ground in america, he's a legend imo

The Ron Paul supporters turned Bernie supporters are almost more incredible to me than Trump supporters

He wasn't bullshitting. But yeah, his achievement will be moving Hillary and the party to the left, it's no small thing

How mant paul --> bernie people are there? the bernie supporters i run into are mostly liberal democrats

Not saying it isnt a real constituency, i just wonder how much of his support is actually coming from these "outsider" type voters vs liberal democrats who feel disillusioned by hillary's history of centrism

i think they exist p much exclusively on the web, i dont think they have materialized into actual humans yet

this is the "smoke weed and fuck banks" constituency

(also misogyny)

his achievement will be moving Hillary and the party to the left

Christ, this is SO not gonna happen, are you people conscious?

He wasn't bullshitting. But yeah, his achievement will be moving Hillary and the party to the left, it's no small thing

― spirited ai weiwei (Treeship), Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:45 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

to be clear, i think he was sincere in his platform and presentation, but i dont think he entered the race thinking "i, bernie sanders (I-VT), have a really excellent chance at becoming president."

hrc, if elected, is going to be a neolib bomber / Goldman enabler just like O, maaaaybe worse. And you can't stop her, bcz as Senator Bulworth asked, "YA GONNA VOTE REPUBLICAN?"

morbs, if we are going to criticize hrc as being a political windsock i think its logical to say that the sanders campaign provided some leftward gales, forcing her to take some positions that she cant easily walk back. and if she wants the GOTV to beat trump, she will need to stand firm on some of those pledges. we all suspect she'll pivot to the right in the general, but this primary run i think at least mothballed her throwback 90s DLC jersey this time around.

like im not happy with her warmongering or coziness to financial elites and thats a big reason why i voted for bernie but

why im a still arguing with you youve already had this discussion with many ppl more eloquent than i for over a decade, i already know where this goes sorry, dude

yes, her rhetoric will be different for maybe 8-12 more months. ie nothing that matters has changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UM8F4EuUbw&feature=youtu.be

kind of crazy that gabbard resigned as vice chair of the DNC to jump aboard this sinking ship but good for her

i'm kinda just making shit up but if clinton wins and the GOP really does kind of explode, the sanders/warren wing of the party would be more influential, with the republican party fractured between movement conservatives and all the people who were willing to vote for the guy who isn't sure if wants to denounce the KKK or not. so maybe it finally allows room for people like gabbard to side with liberals rather than whatever clinton's crew is