In the unlikely event that Trump wins, how will you react?

^^^^^^

woops that was for Alex in sf post but clemenza pretty otm too

With permission, may change my display name to "little marcos."

Not a yank. Give a very small fuck. Will, for a fee, advise yanks on moving to Ireland.

I kinda want to move to ireland tbh

Will, for a fee, advise yanks on moving to Ireland.

p sure trump does this too

xp I'm running a business here kid, take your sad story somewhere else

o buuuurned!

excited to see what would happen. so clusterfuck i guess

going to move to Miami

going to move to Canada

Am a yank. I don't give a fuck about politics.

Definitely sticking around to watch the clusterfuck from my New York City bubble.

Am a yank. I don't give a fuck about politics.

― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:03 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you will after Trump seizes Cleveland via military coup

It seems like a real wildcard to me what a Trump presidency would actually be like, although I'm still not 100% convinced he's not just running as black ops for Clinton. He's so scattershot -- people like the Hitler comparison but I think Hitler had a bit more of a total ideology by the time he was on the eve of rising to power. Trump seems to just say whatever.

yeah there's no internal consistency which is why it's obv his followers aren't following him for his ideology outside of the whole "rah rah keep out foreigners/fuck Islam" rhetoric.

I also think Hitler was motivated by genuine anger about whatever he thought was wrong with Germany and the world, and Trump is just motivated by wanting power and a wild ride.

Where is the "laugh" option.

A Trump presidency would represent the metastasis of a slowly-encroaching American madness that's been threatening to drive me out of the country for a while.

I've been gathering materials to apply to Germany for naturalization (my grandfather became stateless during the Third Reich) so while I've never been to Germany I'd move there if it seemed like things were getting bad for the Jews under the Trump regime.

I really hope I'm not being naive, but the fact that there are polls showing Trump anywhere close to Clinton in a hypothetical general election just suggests to me that polling is getting worse and worse with the slow death of landlines. Plus you've had pretty much nonstop media coverage of Trump and Clinton relatively quiet by comparison,

Trump's got a passionate, active fanbase. He's got the growing mass shooter demographic locked down, and they're definitely not the stay at home types. Hillary, for me at least, it's like "guess I have to try and keep the psychos out of power again..." This is especially poignant after 8 years of GWB. So you've got idiocy/mania vs. grudging acceptance for a lot of people. Which polls from the latest primaries show: Republicans are seeing record turnout, and Democrats are seeing a turnout way lower than in recent elections. Doesn't look like a good scene, but I doubt we'll actually see a Trump presidency.

"record turnout" at primaries is not very meaningful, because primary turnout is always <<<<< general election turnout.

Yeah, we'll see. Maybe as the general election gets closer people will be shitting their pants enough to vote against Trump. Cuz that's what this is really going to be if he gets the nomination.

It's actually Republicans who will be staying home in greater numbers because it will be hard for a lot of them to stomach voting Trump. I think it will be great for Dems in downticket races.

i'm not rich enough to just get up and move to another country.
these wannabe refugees are an insult to actual refugees.

The move to Canada thing grates on me a lot, it sounds so spoiled

" so while I've never been to Germany I'd move there if it seemed like things were getting bad for the Jews under the Trump regime"

...

what

The move to Canada thing grates on me a lot, it sounds so spoiled

In my case, I am from there, still have a partner there, and am only in the US on contract anyway.

Hard to stop at calling internet reactions spoiled-sounding without including yr own internet reaction to same tbh

I'm not sure I get what would be spoiled about moving to Canada even otherwise, though, tbh, especially with the current state of the Cdn $.

It's actually Republicans who will be staying home in greater numbers because it will be hard for a lot of them to stomach voting Trump. I think it will be great for Dems in downticket races.

Looks like Trump's pretty unpopular in the general election, so I hope you're right.

Moving to canada the second there's a scary man in the white house rather than based on any real economic or physical peril seems spoiled is what I mean, also it seems indicative of not really giving a fuck what happens here which might be part of the problem.

Besides, you cant just stroll into canada and stay there - same with Australia. We're strict with our immigration laws!

Indicative of giving too much of a fuck but not enough?

Other: I'm buying a gun. Not even kidding.

Be SRS djp trump ain't letting u buy a gun

Other: I'm buying a gun. Not even kidding.

No joke, it crossed my mind. Like, it's the last thing I would ever do ... unless an honest to god fascist racist got elected president.

Let's not pretend that Trump winning the election would be about just one scary dude suddenly being in charge. He's currently stirring up a large contingent of shitty people, and his election would just serve to legitimize their shittiness.

tbh i'd like to move to canada either way

Moving to canada the second there's a scary man in the white house rather than based on any real economic or physical peril seems spoiled is what I mean, also it seems indicative of not really giving a fuck what happens here which might be part of the problem.

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:40 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if i were muslim i would be getting the FUCK out of here if he was president

his election would just serve to legitimize their shiftiness.

Exactly.

i think, either way, we have a major problem. trump has made visible this new coalition of voters within the gop who are motivated mostly by hate and are no longer willing to be placated with "dogwhistle" style pandering

not "new" i guess. they've always been there. but they've been seriously emboldened now.

usually i take a kind of abstracted view of politics, but i feel seriously frightened about this

if i were muslim i would be getting the FUCK out of here if he was president

Yeah, I mean, it could be worse, and it's not like I'd leave the next day or anything, but I also don't place a lot of trust in Trumpites' abilities to distinguish Muslim brown-skinned people from non-Muslim brown-skinned people.

my honest answer is i would start looking at ways to fundraise/start a shelter for undocumented students and their families

Oh, look, Ali G is back.

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xp yeah, that's a good point. all nonwhite people would probably feel targeted to some extent in trump's america

If you don't already feel panicked during most of the time you spend conscious, I envy you.

i'll have you know i'm heavily medicated sir

not gonna go around predicting anything but imo it's best to prepare yourself for the worst, pessimism of the intellect / optimism of the will and all that

xpost I said I envy you, sheesh.

saying "he's totally winning again" before the fuckin' midterms have even concluded and before candidates have even been identified is pointless defeatism and alarmism.

like idk if ya know but the idea that Trump could win re-election is a thing *everybody already knows*.

mentally obsessing over it 2 years in advance doesn't "prepare you for the worst", it causes you significant mental distress so that if it does wind up happening, you're too mentally fried to fight.

theres no less merit in it than the prayer-beading feverishness in how hes about to crumble at the next revelation from the wp

cos those are the only two options

also p sure this message board is much more jaded than the rest of the country.

look at the average post along those lines in the politics thread and see how well it is received.

nah its more that theres not rly a valid place to criticise any of the fantasies other than an "i dont like it" grounds which is childish

xpost plus, it's important to remember that while the many scandals obviously didn't sink him, they did often make it more difficult for his administration to accomplish things and have probably helped the Democratic House midterm and gubernatorial races shift blue.

not to diminish the horrible things his administration has done, but his unforced errors have stemmed the tide at times...

i can see why Alfred gets so frustrated with the thread(s) now

jeez I wasn't recommending obsessing over anything

nah its more that theres not rly a valid place to criticise any of the fantasies other than an "i dont like it" grounds which is childish

― lie back and think of englund (darraghmac), Monday, October 22, 2018 6:08 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuckin alarmism gives me panic attacks, eat shit deems

ppl being like “oh this is the thing that will finally get trump” is merely eyeroll worthy, it does not cause me unmeasured anxiety, maybe treating the two as a binary and anything outside of it as “childish” is maybe dumb

i know you’d love to tone police every conversation on ilx but maybe fuck off here

Brad otm

hmm

not what i said at all but lookit

Not the second part. The part abt the doomsday theories about trump’s invincibility being ilx’s worst reflex.

Cynicism, which is really curdled sentimentality, is easy because you can always avoid responsibility ("See? I told you Trump was going to win reelection!").

its more that the repetition of any of it as mantra or the move to judge any not chanting is an evasion of sorts i think

We're all just butterflies madly flapping in the hope of generating a storm which favors us.

(I initially mistyped that as 'madly fapping' which is maybe just as accurate, really.)

hillz should've been all "yo no tax returns, no debates. dude's corrupt. look at his fucking hair and his casino fines. fuck him and fuck your deplorable asses for benghazi-ing me no end. medicare for all" dropped the mic and gone quiet. all the money CNN/FOX/NBC/ABC/CBS stood to lose on cancelled debates would've put some pressure on 2scoops to put up or shut up

or maybe she should've just told ppl what she would do for them

she was very gracious in letting us know we could check out her website

It is true that it is too early to surrender, but it is never too early to be battle ready and address the scale of the emergency.

eg systematic theft by purging voters

Friend that I normally agree w/ on FB posts this...unprovoked

Hillary Clinton running again? She better fucking not.
And if I hear a single solitary person declare non voters in this potential scenario as "privileged", I'm just gonna go ahead and say these three things.
1) I fucking told you so
2) The definition of insanity is...
3) The absolute ultimate in privilege is a party that refused to acknowledge what happened the first time, to the detriment of the very marginalized groups being referred to.

There comes a point where one has to recognize they were complicit in partaking in this privilege, by not paying any attention and allowing shame to be the modus operandi, when it clearly doesn't work to motivate the ones you need to motivate. You can not like that all goddamn day long. It should be obvious what the worst scenario is. BUT CLEARLY PEOPLE DON'T. Reality sucks.

Honestly, I'm so gonna be hated for this one, maybe the non voters aren't wrong. Because I'm tired of being pushed around via worst case scenarios and weaponized shame too.

And I swear to zombie jesus, if you call me a centrist, I'm gonna tell you to grow the fuck up. I'm a realist. A centrist believes there is merit to two sides, regardless of whether there is, always. I do not. I believe there is right and there is wrong. I also believe not acknowledging other people's perceptions or not challenging them realistically is convenient as fuck, and removes any and all responsibility for making real change. And no, I don't mean die hard fans ffs. Fence dwellers make the difference.

Much of it otm, much o_O, but was there an announcement I missed in the news?

She recently said something to the effect that she hasn't ruled out running, or something like that. Or at least there was a recent headline to that effect.

FWIW I think shaming non-voters is dumb and counter-productive so I do agree with that angle.

(yes I vote in our elections, generally)

If hillary runs again that would be kind of impressively arrogant.

can't be overstated how much losing to Donald Trump could break someone's brain

i masochistically check foxnews.com from time to time and like the second-from-the-top story this morning was an opinion column about how Hillary's definitely running again and she's the Dems' best hope. just pure unadulterated trolling.

there is absolutely nothing she offers the Dem electorate that they can't get in a less-damaged package somewhere else. we even have another blonde white lady from New York, with better politics to boot.

I suppose anything is possible, but the distinct lack of a "it's her turn" narrative this time would be a tough obstacle. Certainly I think it's safe to say her path through the primaries would be much much different this time around.

Drudge is imo the best for taking the temperature of the right, more comprehensive and certainly less brain-numbing than Fox, Breitbart, Daily Caller, etc.

I'm only fine for not shaming non-voters if they live in a hut 365 dsys a year

so some things have changed in my life beyond my moving to oregon. i don't believe in democracy anymore, for instance. i'm unpersuaded that elections have the power to define what gender i am, or what science is, or any of the things we apparently invest in democracy these days.

i did for a while consider not voting because of this. ultimately i am voting. for the wrong reasons, but i've done lots of things for the wrong reasons. i'm less invested in the outcome. i know the dogged insistence some people have that donald trump will win in 2020 upsets people, that we've all had to re-evaluate what our core beliefs are and we do it in different ways. the outcome in 2020, the outcome in two weeks, it matters, but at this point it doesn't matter in terms of what i believe, but only in how i go about living those beliefs.

i don't believe in elections, but i do believe in other things. i think it matters who we choose to talk to, and who we choose to listen to. i think it matters what we will tolerate and what we will excuse. if the structure of political power isn't ours, if the economy isn't ours, if the means of effective mass communication isn't ours, then we build invisible.

all i need to do is just continue staying alive. this is a struggle, but it is possible for now. for me that means ignoring what people are saying on twitter, staying the hell away from the monthly politics threads (which are wholly absorbed in the anguish of the present moment) for the most part, not listening to the polls, not thinking about what will happen in 2020, but knowing who i am and what i believe, and doing my best to live that.

sorry, i know you don't care about these stupid speeches, i probably shouldn't even post this but i will anyway.

i don't believe in elections, but i do believe in other things.

Just live the best life you know how, be as kind to others as you have it in you to be, and you'll be doing 99% of what's necessary. Voting is a minimal good in comparison to those. But voting does present another path through which to be constructive, so I'm glad you will put in the effort.

trumPutin 2020 ~ life goes MAGA long after the soviet union is gone

not bad