In the unlikely event that Trump wins, how will you react?

"record turnout" at primaries is not very meaningful, because primary turnout is always <<<<< general election turnout.

Yeah, we'll see. Maybe as the general election gets closer people will be shitting their pants enough to vote against Trump. Cuz that's what this is really going to be if he gets the nomination.

It's actually Republicans who will be staying home in greater numbers because it will be hard for a lot of them to stomach voting Trump. I think it will be great for Dems in downticket races.

i'm not rich enough to just get up and move to another country.
these wannabe refugees are an insult to actual refugees.

The move to Canada thing grates on me a lot, it sounds so spoiled

" so while I've never been to Germany I'd move there if it seemed like things were getting bad for the Jews under the Trump regime"

...

what

The move to Canada thing grates on me a lot, it sounds so spoiled

In my case, I am from there, still have a partner there, and am only in the US on contract anyway.

Hard to stop at calling internet reactions spoiled-sounding without including yr own internet reaction to same tbh

I'm not sure I get what would be spoiled about moving to Canada even otherwise, though, tbh, especially with the current state of the Cdn $.

It's actually Republicans who will be staying home in greater numbers because it will be hard for a lot of them to stomach voting Trump. I think it will be great for Dems in downticket races.

Looks like Trump's pretty unpopular in the general election, so I hope you're right.

Moving to canada the second there's a scary man in the white house rather than based on any real economic or physical peril seems spoiled is what I mean, also it seems indicative of not really giving a fuck what happens here which might be part of the problem.

Besides, you cant just stroll into canada and stay there - same with Australia. We're strict with our immigration laws!

Indicative of giving too much of a fuck but not enough?

Other: I'm buying a gun. Not even kidding.

Be SRS djp trump ain't letting u buy a gun

Other: I'm buying a gun. Not even kidding.

No joke, it crossed my mind. Like, it's the last thing I would ever do ... unless an honest to god fascist racist got elected president.

Let's not pretend that Trump winning the election would be about just one scary dude suddenly being in charge. He's currently stirring up a large contingent of shitty people, and his election would just serve to legitimize their shittiness.

tbh i'd like to move to canada either way

Moving to canada the second there's a scary man in the white house rather than based on any real economic or physical peril seems spoiled is what I mean, also it seems indicative of not really giving a fuck what happens here which might be part of the problem.

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if i were muslim i would be getting the FUCK out of here if he was president

his election would just serve to legitimize their shiftiness.

Exactly.

i think, either way, we have a major problem. trump has made visible this new coalition of voters within the gop who are motivated mostly by hate and are no longer willing to be placated with "dogwhistle" style pandering

not "new" i guess. they've always been there. but they've been seriously emboldened now.

usually i take a kind of abstracted view of politics, but i feel seriously frightened about this

if i were muslim i would be getting the FUCK out of here if he was president

Yeah, I mean, it could be worse, and it's not like I'd leave the next day or anything, but I also don't place a lot of trust in Trumpites' abilities to distinguish Muslim brown-skinned people from non-Muslim brown-skinned people.

my honest answer is i would start looking at ways to fundraise/start a shelter for undocumented students and their families

Oh, look, Ali G is back.

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xp yeah, that's a good point. all nonwhite people would probably feel targeted to some extent in trump's america

xpost Ha, it's the first time I've ever posted something in the wrong thread! Mazel tov to me!

how the hell can you crazy fuckers talk about this shit day in and day out

i will paste every "Hillary has this is the bag" post followed by a big LOOOOOOOOL

it's sort of a grim compulsion at this point tbh k3v, there's other stuff i should be thinking about instead.

i think introducing americans to muslims would be important, too. ive encountered a great deal of islamophobia from my students and when ive asked, most have never even met a muslim before and i realized literally every encounter with muslims and islam is through tv/film/media and it is 99% of the time something to do with terrorism. so some activism around that seems necessary.

idk, this idea is just depressing to me. i saw a truck with a trump sticker outside the office depot i went to this week and what appeared to be a bunch of white nationalist shit (couldnt tell, was passing it by). its right across from an indian cafe, a halal market, and a taqueria.

a friend of mine from childhood recently had a picture of his go viral. he was the first sikh to play with a turban in the ncaa and some shithead made an anti-mulsim "comedy" meme from it. another friend made a big post about how fucked up it was on FB and THAT shit went viral, too.

should say first sikh to play in ncaa basketball with a turban

I will fume. I will whine. I will complain. I will seek whatever weak-assed revenge is available to me at every opportunity. Unless he turns out to be far better than expected, because who the fuck knows what a President Trump would do? He's utterly baffling, apart from his constant, visceral, hourly need for attention.

What would happen if, at the 11th hour, he erupted in a hideous rictus grin, and told everyone they were a bunch of idiotic fools who fell for his long game troll, that he hadnt even made any policy outlines (because cmon.. he hasnt, has he?) and that he cant believe it all worked so well.

And then drops his greasy lil mic and buggers off.

...I.... kind of want that to happen?

And then drops his greasy lil mic and buggers off.

to the obscurity he's always craved

Not a yank; observe with terror from afar.

Trump will not destroy America. People who are afraid he will are the exact mirror image of people who are afraid "militant Islamic terrorism" poses an "existential threat" - as in, they will somehow defeat the world's largest military and we will become an Islamic theocracy. The post above, about "a truck with a trump sticker...and what appeared to be a bunch of white nationalist shit" perfectly encapsulates the hallucinatory nature of the Trump "threat." Who's got more real power in America? Guys with bumper stickers on their trucks, or the owners of "an indian cafe, a halal market, and a taqueria." I really think we should long ago have replaced "In God We Trust" with Coolidge's "The Business Of America Is Business" on our money. This country is not going anywhere, and it's not going to suddenly replace money worship with some other ideology. Will there be isolated ugly incidents? Yeah, just like every other day of this country's history since its founding. After four years of Trump being unable to focus on a single insane idea for more than the length of a sentence, never mind get anything through what will become a breathtakingly do-nothing Congress, he will vanish from office and we'll have a new President We're Most Ashamed Of/Sorry About (current rankings: W., then Nixon, then I don't know, Harding or Fillmore or somebody).

Other. Point and laugh at any Americans I happen to meet.

I don't think the terrifying craziness is going to be contained within the borders of the US.

"Trump will not destroy America" is technically true in the way that "humans will not destroy the planet" is technically true. Meaning he will simply render America uninhabitable.

And, yes, I'd think even people outside of the US would also be hoping like mad that we don't collectivelly lose our minds in November.

"Trump will not destroy America" is technically true in the way that "humans will not destroy the planet" is technically true. Meaning he will simply render America uninhabitable.

He won't even do that, though, IMO. He'll render the Presidency a cartoonish figurehead position like the British monarchy, is all. Everything he tries to do will either die in Congress or be stymied by the Supreme Court for blatant unconstitutionality and/or defiance of the laws of physics and logic.

I do still think there's some long con in play here. Maybe not on the order of Trayce's 'I cannot believe you suckers bought it!' but something. I can see him trying to make money off of the presidency and failing and sulking for the rest of his term and threatening to sue everyone in America.

he's just going to rename the position "Champion of Earth" and then accomplish nothing for 2.5 years until he is removed from office for making fun of Ban Ki-Moon during a live broadcast

Not sure if you might've skipped a few days in class, 誤訳侮辱, but the parallels that some are seeing with Trump (and the shit he's stirring up that would survive him), are not generally on the other side of the fence from the military?

Not sure if you might've skipped a few days in class, 誤訳侮辱, but the parallels that some are seeing with Trump (and the shit he's stirring up that would survive him), are not generally on the other side of the fence from the military?

This sentence is too glib to make any actual sense to me. Not joking. Could you rephrase in clearer, more declarative language?

yeah what is this "some are seeing" stuff?

blind ppl for Trump

We're all just butterflies madly flapping in the hope of generating a storm which favors us.

(I initially mistyped that as 'madly fapping' which is maybe just as accurate, really.)

hillz should've been all "yo no tax returns, no debates. dude's corrupt. look at his fucking hair and his casino fines. fuck him and fuck your deplorable asses for benghazi-ing me no end. medicare for all" dropped the mic and gone quiet. all the money CNN/FOX/NBC/ABC/CBS stood to lose on cancelled debates would've put some pressure on 2scoops to put up or shut up

or maybe she should've just told ppl what she would do for them

she was very gracious in letting us know we could check out her website

It is true that it is too early to surrender, but it is never too early to be battle ready and address the scale of the emergency.

eg systematic theft by purging voters

Friend that I normally agree w/ on FB posts this...unprovoked

Hillary Clinton running again? She better fucking not.
And if I hear a single solitary person declare non voters in this potential scenario as "privileged", I'm just gonna go ahead and say these three things.
1) I fucking told you so
2) The definition of insanity is...
3) The absolute ultimate in privilege is a party that refused to acknowledge what happened the first time, to the detriment of the very marginalized groups being referred to.

There comes a point where one has to recognize they were complicit in partaking in this privilege, by not paying any attention and allowing shame to be the modus operandi, when it clearly doesn't work to motivate the ones you need to motivate. You can not like that all goddamn day long. It should be obvious what the worst scenario is. BUT CLEARLY PEOPLE DON'T. Reality sucks.

Honestly, I'm so gonna be hated for this one, maybe the non voters aren't wrong. Because I'm tired of being pushed around via worst case scenarios and weaponized shame too.

And I swear to zombie jesus, if you call me a centrist, I'm gonna tell you to grow the fuck up. I'm a realist. A centrist believes there is merit to two sides, regardless of whether there is, always. I do not. I believe there is right and there is wrong. I also believe not acknowledging other people's perceptions or not challenging them realistically is convenient as fuck, and removes any and all responsibility for making real change. And no, I don't mean die hard fans ffs. Fence dwellers make the difference.

Much of it otm, much o_O, but was there an announcement I missed in the news?

She recently said something to the effect that she hasn't ruled out running, or something like that. Or at least there was a recent headline to that effect.

FWIW I think shaming non-voters is dumb and counter-productive so I do agree with that angle.

(yes I vote in our elections, generally)

If hillary runs again that would be kind of impressively arrogant.

can't be overstated how much losing to Donald Trump could break someone's brain

i masochistically check foxnews.com from time to time and like the second-from-the-top story this morning was an opinion column about how Hillary's definitely running again and she's the Dems' best hope. just pure unadulterated trolling.

there is absolutely nothing she offers the Dem electorate that they can't get in a less-damaged package somewhere else. we even have another blonde white lady from New York, with better politics to boot.

I suppose anything is possible, but the distinct lack of a "it's her turn" narrative this time would be a tough obstacle. Certainly I think it's safe to say her path through the primaries would be much much different this time around.

Drudge is imo the best for taking the temperature of the right, more comprehensive and certainly less brain-numbing than Fox, Breitbart, Daily Caller, etc.

I'm only fine for not shaming non-voters if they live in a hut 365 dsys a year

so some things have changed in my life beyond my moving to oregon. i don't believe in democracy anymore, for instance. i'm unpersuaded that elections have the power to define what gender i am, or what science is, or any of the things we apparently invest in democracy these days.

i did for a while consider not voting because of this. ultimately i am voting. for the wrong reasons, but i've done lots of things for the wrong reasons. i'm less invested in the outcome. i know the dogged insistence some people have that donald trump will win in 2020 upsets people, that we've all had to re-evaluate what our core beliefs are and we do it in different ways. the outcome in 2020, the outcome in two weeks, it matters, but at this point it doesn't matter in terms of what i believe, but only in how i go about living those beliefs.

i don't believe in elections, but i do believe in other things. i think it matters who we choose to talk to, and who we choose to listen to. i think it matters what we will tolerate and what we will excuse. if the structure of political power isn't ours, if the economy isn't ours, if the means of effective mass communication isn't ours, then we build invisible.

all i need to do is just continue staying alive. this is a struggle, but it is possible for now. for me that means ignoring what people are saying on twitter, staying the hell away from the monthly politics threads (which are wholly absorbed in the anguish of the present moment) for the most part, not listening to the polls, not thinking about what will happen in 2020, but knowing who i am and what i believe, and doing my best to live that.

sorry, i know you don't care about these stupid speeches, i probably shouldn't even post this but i will anyway.

i don't believe in elections, but i do believe in other things.

Just live the best life you know how, be as kind to others as you have it in you to be, and you'll be doing 99% of what's necessary. Voting is a minimal good in comparison to those. But voting does present another path through which to be constructive, so I'm glad you will put in the effort.

trumPutin 2020 ~ life goes MAGA long after the soviet union is gone

not bad