Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

no Jew would draw that much attention to themselves.

uh

http://www.commdiginews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/jesus-christ.jpg

tone it down a bit, Jesus

Jesucristo had other people hyping him up tbh

Jesusbros

Trump tweeted a pic of himself as grand marshal of the Salute to Israel parade (from a dozen or so years ago) last week

Jesus also loved the poorly educated!

Great run of posts itt hi 5 all

Promised to get poor underclass into his father's housing if they followed him

One more prophetic Jew:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/LifeStinks.jpg

no way this is so otm.

this election's gonna be ugly enough w/out posters using questionable racial yardsticks to measure the "actual" ethnicity of candidates/past presidents

fwiw I've yet to see any Jew claim Trump as "one of ours" the way Toni Morrison did with Bubba

toni morrison wasn't "claiming" clinton as black btw

like imagine what would happen if beyonce ran for governor or something

i’m imagining beyonce running for, like, country comptroller

er, *county

was gonna say! That Morrison quote has been contorted into fascinating shapes.

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Drumpf has like zero jewish appeal / identification imo

What is he anyway, a German?

half Scottish, half German I believe

A while ago I saw someone say that "when Sanders speaks, bagels fall out of his mouth."

all asshole iirc

Trump later acknowledged his German ancestry and served as grand marshal of the 1999 German-American Steuben Parade in New York City.

^ one for nakh's thread

toni morrison wasn't "claiming" clinton as black btw

I know, but she was making an equivalency based on unfair treatment + stereotype. No one's treating Trump unfairly because he projects "NY Jew". He does not project "NY Jew" imo.

was gonna say! That Morrison quote has been contorted into fascinating shapes.

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― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, February 29, 2016 5:55 PM (8 minutes ago)

so few people understand what she was saying that i sometimes wonder if it partially explains the clinton's popularity with the black electorate

my pt stands that Clinton:Blackness::Trump:Jewishness is not correct

In Salon, Virginia Vitzthum suggested Clinton was also the first woman president:

http://www.salon.com/1998/10/08/newsb_24/

There was a teenage-girlishness to his love-play — the hours on the phone, memorizing her phone number, wearing her ties on special days. He played hard to get; he wouldn’t go all the way. And every time he needed to turn ruthless, he nurtured instead, comforting and flattering Monica instead of sending her packing.... In his affair, Clinton played the old girl game of Technical Virginity — staying good by doing “everything but.”

Weird comment at the Trump rally going on: "Someone just said 'Keep the wall going, keep the wall going'--believe me, we're going to keep the wall going.'"

He spoke in the present tense--has construction already started?

Love this Yogi-ism, too (talking about the media): "20% of them good, 80% of them are bad, 40% of them are disgusting." If the disgusting ones are a subset of the bad ones, I guess that works.

Clinton first commie president according to a stupid article, somewhere

More than his debate debacle, more than his earnest Jimmy Olsen-like pleading, Rubio's embarrassing himself right now. One of his handlers just explained that they have no choice, they have to draw a sharp contrast with Trump. So Rubio goes out now and becomes Donald Trump.

Big surprise: the ex-Arizona governor who had the tarmac skirmish with Obama a few years ago endorses Trump.

Scott Desjarlais, MD - pro life Christian conservative U.S. Rep for TN, who's had multiple affairs, including at least one with a patient whom he pressured to have an abortion, is endorsing Trump.

Trump has the old angry desert white vote locked up

there were questions about this last week

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/29/468253626/a-history-of-super-tuesday

The Clintons' plan to combat Trump.

the "Drumpf" meme is so fucking stupid, the family name was changed in the 17th century

“Hope and change, not so much,” said David Plouffe, who managed Mr. Obama’s 2008 campaign, referring to the slogan that defined that race. “More like hate and castrate.”

wtf

xp yeah, i was expecting something so much more devastating based on the reactions today all over the internet. Whole thing was so so stupid. John Oliver remains insufferable.

Not surprised to see Jan Brewer endorse Trump, the AZ Republican Party is basically the harbinger of the national party. Clean election laws here in AZ disempowered the GOP establishment as gatekeepers, and as a result, all manner of noxious crazies run my state's government. Meanwhile liberals in central Phoenix, Tempe, and Tucson pray that demographic changes eventually politically transform the state into Colorado or New Mexico.

I guess Cruz is being written off at this point, but I just saw this video and I have to say there is something impressive about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi5IZ9StVUI&ebc=ANyPxKpXKNnxcbJdckV-z6-uH6cg4MVLYW9IQzCZaXtP5iCip3_63vZjP0VuxuHRSCubidgl-vD2B3c321nqFSXIwf10gzZw1g

I had kind of only known him as (1) hyperconservative ideologue and (2) creepy guy, but damn he knows his shit, and you have to think if he has a range of subjects he can speak about with this depth he could win over a lot of GOP voters.

and yet

total snake, I know

I mean I guess it manages to explain why he's done as well as he has in spite of basically being disgusting

Cruz: "I'd be happy to answer your question if you would stop yelling."

The man wasn't yelling. He was being emphatic, but the level of his voice was exactly as loud as Cruz's voice. This was just a way to put the guy at a disadvantage and disconcert him.

Cruz being this super-smart idiot who everyone hates is definitely the only fun part of the GOP campaign. I mean, this guy was a national debate champion, but when he told his Princeton teammates he planned to run for president of the debate society, they held a secret "anyone-but-Cruz" meeting. That's basically Cruz in a nutshell

cruz was condescending af in that exchange, i mean he knows his policy he's just a huge dick even when trying to play nice guy

nahh fuck cruz but he was nothing if not extremely patient and gracious there

I think there was a subtle way that it came off like he was following a manual on how to win people over instead of being genuine, but he followed the manual very well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/us/politics/donald-trump-supremacists.html

This "earpiece" excuse for the kkk coyness is such weak bullshit. One of the most disturbing things about this race is the normality of brazen, shameless lies

okay, so fair enough. i think it comes off as concern trolling because in general you're much more supportive of clinton than most posters here (which, you're right, i should not assume makes you a clinton supporter as such), and because you seem so down on sanders even having the capacity to do any of the things it's hypothesized that he might do, so the 'advice' seems somehow less sincere. but i can relate to being concerned and worried about the prospects of things. if it comes around to november and sanders is not doing anything with his massive support base to help then maybe we can reopen this conversation.

it's a tricky one too for all the reasons that someone skeptical of sanders in the first place might point out: is it better to back a fetterman, whose politics are right on, but risk losing by a hair or more against this total asshole incumbent who will otherwise become a permanent fixture? or back a middle-of-the-road democrat that has less in common with the sanders movement (and thus inspires less roaring enthusiasm) for the sake of just getting toomey gone? (then there are lots of x factors: what if fetterman sucks as a candidate? what if his look and feel end up turning off a lot of people that agree with his message?) this is stuff that's really easy for me to say in the abstract - go left, be bold, don't look back - but not so easy for me to impose on people living in pennyslvania. also part of what i mean about it being a minefield for sanders to get into the habit of endorsing every progressive candidate for everything, or in general for people who haven't secured their own nominations to go around hitching their wagons together with unknowns - - - some of them might turn out to be raving uninformed campus liberals, some might have horrible skeletons in their closet ("BREAKING: SANDERS PAL IS PORNO KING"), god knows. i know this sounds like me arguing for the 'safe' and personally/visually normative centrist. but we're having a conversation about strategy/tactics (what's the most useful thing for sanders to do with limited money and limited hours in a day), and these things probably do enter into it.

(in the interest of reassuring you, separate from sanders: i think people will be pretty motivated by the presence of a trump/cruz at the top of the ticket to come out and vote blue all the way down. impossible to predict this far out but if the unappealingness of the republican nominee makes this even a baby-sized 'wave' election, then toomey - who didn't win by a huge margin in 2010 and has horrible approval ratings - would need a heck of an incumbency effect to keep his seat imo.)

welp, i can't think of anything, so here we go:

Conventional Mealy Mouths: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 5

no it's not funny and it's a terrible name but fuck man, i'm at work

as for 'feel good stuff' and facebook - well, i dunno. i refer to facebook, not reddit, because i am thinking of a very person-to-person kind of thing (also i have never used reddit and don't really understand it) so my model are things like my best friend going to sanders's campaign-video shoot last week in brooklyn, and sharing stuff and then catching her sisters at dinner and having a long long conversation about sanders (re: their agreement with his policies vs. their pre-existing desire to support clinton for 'historic'/female president reasons) and maybe winning one or two of them over. that's anecdotal, and it's tiny by itself, but those are real effects. given that they are her sisters it's likely this conversation would have happened without facebook (actually i may even be screwing up the order of events), but i'm just saying, it's that kind of communication that leads me to invoke facebook - - - not talking about hiveminds of bernie die-hards unknown to each other, echo-chambering their tiny world and excorciating their perceived enemies/conspiracies/whatever. though i'm sure that goes on, based on my sweaty and ill-smelling stereotype of reddit.

anyway my point is that where you're seeing "good feelings" i'm seeing a commitment to spread the word, to persuade, to fight on. it's hard for me to entirely grasp tbh because i'm still kinda cynical and inactive and old and sure, lazy i guess. this friend though, she seems really lit up, like she's been waiting without realizing it forever to hear candidates talk about stuff like this, and she's getting in touch with people doing multi-lingual voter organizing and shit. i can't assume right this second that she's going to pack all of that in once bernie quits, or that the voter organizing and registration and stuff won't end up mattering in november even if she does. i would also refer you to my post above concerning possible knock-on effects of just people staying involved and organized and getting their friends to turn up when there's a rally for the minimum wage next march or whenever. it mighta got buried in a longer post; sorry for paragraph rockin'.

oh oops. well, farewell old thread. we still have il douché and we certainly still have discontent. but it's been a good one.

Thread sucked

the new thread has close-ups of mouths, you should check it out d

I've been in and I like the look of it already, good work imo I've not felt this optimistic about a change in US politics since Bernie sanders ran for the Dems in 2016