tipping

http://www.grubstreet.com/2016/03/andrew-tarlow-romans-no-tipping-update.html#

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/business/joes-crab-shack-tried-getting-rid-of-tips-it-didnt-last-long.html

In one closely watched case, Joe’s Crab Shack has decided to revert to accepting tips at most of its trial locations, six months after announcing that it would become the nation’s first major restaurant chain to test a no-tipping policy at 18 locations.

The casual seafood chain, which is based in Houston and has more than 130 restaurants nationwide, raised its menu prices at the test sites and said it gave higher, fixed wages to its staff. At the time, Ray Blanchette, then the chief executive of its parent company, Ignite Restaurant Group, called tipping “an antiquated model.”

But Bob Merritt, the new chief executive, announced in a conference call with investors and analysts last week that the company was cutting back the experiment and that it would continue at just four restaurants, according to Nation’s Restaurant News.

Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said.

But Bob Merritt, the new chief executive, announced in a conference call with investors and analysts last week that the company was cutting back the experiment and that it would continue at just four restaurants, according to Nation’s Restaurant News.

Company research had found that 60 percent of the restaurants’ customers disliked the change in tipping, Mr. Merritt said. They wanted to inspire good service with their tips and they didn’t trust management to pass on the money to its employees, he said.

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https://medium.com/@driver8/while-no-one-really-believes-that-uber-is-protecting-drivers-from-racist-tipping-practices-the-c47145d2b82e#.t2ea2ij5e

OK, can anyone explain this controversy to me? I heard an American on a podcast say "This is terrible: Uber said they were tipping the driver for us, but it turns out that's not true!" If the tip is an automated %, then what's the distinction between the money in this "tip" and the money in the drivers' cut of the fare?

Shouldn't people just care how much money the driver gets from the fare overall?

Are the complainers implying that they knew exactly how much Uber cut the drivers and were calculating that there was extra money on top of that figure?

being tipped is being paid at someone's discretion or seemingly at someone's discretion if there's no hint of discretion it's not a tip it's just a payment

tipping is weird and makes people think or almost think weird things

It gives a sense of control to the consumer that makes them believe they have power in the transaction, affirming the validity of a class of worker that is more servant that server, paid at our discretion

https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/internet-explodes-after-a-couple-posts-passive-aggressive-tipping-trick

diiiiiiicks

i wonder if there is a statistically significant correlation between referring to "the wife" and this kind of behavior

he should be careful flashing that kind of cash around. pretty soon he won't be able to afford to take his wife to Denny's anymore.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/shake-shack-founder-says-tipping-is-a-hoax-142228863.html

It looks like this was covered in that WaPo article posted upthread (last year), but it was new to me:

How did tipping become the norm in the U.S.?

Well, the practice has some racist roots––that go all the way back to slavery: pic.twitter.com/pyeAfdJrhV

— Splinter (@splinter_news) September 11, 2017

"But what if I told you tipping had a racist past?"

well, I'd stop doing it immediately. Thanks lady!

oh man, there were comments to that effect

that's not how it works, it just makes it clear it's essential unless you go somewhere that you know wait staff are making a living wage!

oy

Yes the blanket advice of "leave America immediately" is usually safely good

brb going to your "lads" thread

Hmmm 'oy' might be a fair translation tbh

Having just moved to the US, my usual strategy of panicking and at least knowing I will never be back at this establishment is going to fail soon

when i moved to canada i just started conversations about tipping with some people, and from that arrived at a blanket 20% tip in all service situations as being generous and therefore not making me look like a thrifty brit.

http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-for-busses-startup-launches-ico-to-end-tipping-altogether-2017-11

I hate these people

startup launches to make poor people poorer

also less free

I don't get it, is there any cost to the 'rater' of rating the server?

yeah, it's definitely evil but also makes no sense? I'm sticking with Bodega Box for my startup dollars.

They should have focused on CEOs. Their cryptocurrency could function both as a review and as a replacement for bonuses and stock options, and would follow CEOs to their next job in the CEO gig economy.

Today the Trump administration took their first major step towards allowing employers to legally take tips earned by the workers they employ. https://t.co/bs6qMHHj7G

— Economic Policy Institute (@EconomicPolicy) December 4, 2017

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/11/business/tipping-sexual-harassment.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjIeiG2XoAoBicK.jpg:small

that person should be imprisoned for 18 to life

"I'd rather spend that money on other things"

Oy vey. Yes I'd rather not spend ANY money when I get goods or services, but livinginaSOCIETYcostanza.gif.
Actually I feel the exact opposite of her: I'm never going to miss an extra dollar or 2 I tipped someone, whereas the cumulative extra dollar from every customer is going to be a significant amount for a server.

"I shafted every single person who served me this year, any establishment I frequent is prob spitting in my food and drinks, I live in shame about this but not enough so to actually change my behavior, but woohoo I now have 'saved' enough money to buy a Roomba"

‘you chose that profession’

the service industry: it’s a calling, not a grinding, degrading hellscape of shit-eating you hope one day to claw your way free from

it’s like being a monk, really, except you’re married to a spitting hot-plate instead of god

Where is this from?

https://www.eater.com/2018/7/27/17577272/bad-tipping-in-america-restaurants

i haven't read the article as it's a subject that makes me too mad

(I've always hated stingy tippers and my partner is a server)

If someone is willing to give you quotes like that you should not let them remain anonymous.

Her friends suck too for going out with her and not covering her portion of the tip.

Her friends suck too for going out with her and not covering her portion of the tip.

Complete ostracization is the only option.

When James dines out, which he does a few times a week, he says he plays a rounding game with the bill at the end of the meal. “I will add a few dollars and round it to an even number, say a $36.87 meal being tipped $3.13 to make $40.00,” he explains. “This isn’t because I want to tip, it just gives me a little mental math game and I like even numbers.”

yes that article will make you mad.

in a just society, james, your head would be on a fucking pike outside a restaurant as a warning to other patrons

I remember distinctly once while bartending, these douchebros came into my bar in blyn (at the time they were out of place) and the guy stared me right in the eye as he took the round of drinks back to his table without leaving a tip. Like, daring me to say something. This happened every single time he came up to the bar. It was early evening and I was tending by myself so there wasn't much I could do. At least it was just bottle beer.

used to have hangover anxiety in my early 20s. did I say something untoward or act like a jerk last night at the bar?

in my old age, now I seldom have that anxiety, but when I do it's usually me worrying that I fucked up the tip when paying the tab and some bartender is shaking her fist and vowing vengeance when she goes through the night's receipts

you are all wrong, sam is 100 otm but for the comment about them choosing that profession which is shitty

dont blame sam because youve accepted this nonsense system

It’s sort of a reverse prisoner’s dilemma where if everyone agrees at once to stop doing it then things would be better but if you just do it because you feel like it, you’re not exactly *galaxy brain* you’re just being a dick.

ok she is also wrong re just feeling like it but hey theres no wrong way to be right

in fact i cant figure if my main view of ilx is that its found all the right ways to be wrong, all the wrongs ways of being right, or whether we're all just fellow travellers in a cruel world but some have better movie recommendations

Anyway the way to the end of tipping in the USA, already in progress, is through establishments going explicitly tipless and adding service charges. No way is having brave consumers stiff servers out of principle an act of solidarity.

xp ilx is mostly where we take opinions we learned on Twitter and try them out on a small audience before going wide with it

wait

why do *we* have a sandbox then

not all progress happens thru solidarity

(sorry hoos im sorry im sorry)

also is the service charge a stepping stone towards "the price is the price" because even listing service charge is a sad excuse of responsibility for running a business imo