Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

And yeah, Colossus is there not as comic relief but as serious relief, because he is the only solemn, naggy, po-faced aspect.

yeah i used to watch Robot Chicken like 10 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq0XNILIYTw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps6SBs112Io

includes gag of Professor X talking about the shortage of mutants

Well, if that is your standard, then I'd say yes, Deadpool is a lot better than that.

yeah i used to watch Robot Chicken like 10 years ago.

do you mean "yeah I used to read Deadpool comics like 20 years ago"

I won't hear a bad word about the Joe Kelly run.

Just finished the first season of Agent Carter (I know, I know) - great all the way through, but I kept getting a little distracted by the resemblance of Limpy McKnight to Ted Cruz.

Maybe if you literally melted him.

So Alfre Woodard is playing a character in Civil War...and then apparently playing a completely different character in Luke Cage. Goddamn it, Marvel, you're supposed to do better than this.

The number of people who care about that is about 1% of the people who care that Captain America was Johnny Storm (which is already quite small).

Though I did just learn that unmelted Ted Cruz played a cop in the Avengers.

Dude should really change his name. 'Unmelted Ted Cruz' has so much more pizzazz than 'Enver Gjokaj'.

A Cloak and Dagger show is being developed for ABC Family Freeform.

This is wholly speculative BUT: Marvel, who is notorious for doing a single print run of their collections and then letting them go out of print and then years later releasing that same material in a new and different configuration, has over the course of a very short period of time both reprinted the old TPB collections of Busiek's Thunderbolts and pushed out new trades that collect the previously uncollected remainder of Busiek's run. In recent years, they've mostly only done this with properties that had cinematic adaptations in the works (e.g. the recent and very quick reprinting of Priest's entire Black Panther run) sooooo I think something cinematic/televisual might be in the works with the Thunderbolts.

Hmm, that's interesting... I guess the the Infinity War might provide a similar setup to what Onslaught did in the comics for Thunderbolts: all the major heroes are thought to be dead -> new team of superheroes steps in and everyone loves them -> secretly they're a bunch of previously established villains scheming to conquer the world. But for a movie/TV series to have the same effect as Busiek's Thunderbolts did, they'd have to use villains who've already appeared in the MCU, and I'm not sure if there are too many villains left alive they could use? I guess they could have Red Skull in place of Baron Zemo, his "death" in the first Cap movie was ambiguous enough to bring him back. (And even if Weaving doesn't want to play him again, as he has stated, it wouldn't be too difficult to put some other actor under the makeup.) And the villain from Ant-Man could be brought back the same way... But are there any others?

Of course the other option would be to adapt Thunderbolts vol. 2, and make it into a team of ex-supervillains forced to do the heroes' work... But then everyone would complain they're copying Suicide Squad, which the comic did indeed do.

The latter, contingent on SS success, seems likely

I guess so, but then it's kinda weird that they're reprinting the Busiek comics based on the former premise, not the vol. 2 stuff that was copying SS. Like, when the Guardians of the Galaxy movie was coming out, they reprinted the Abnett/Lanning comics the movie was mostly based on, not the original 70s GotG comics or that weird early 90s series by Jim Valentino, because they had little to do with the movie.

Though it could be that Marvel is just genuinely interested in reprinting Busiek's comics due to him still having lots of fans around, not for any movie/TV related reasons. His entire Avengers run was recently reprinted as two giant omnibuses too.

They actually did reprint all three eras of GotG around that same time.

Though of course having the word "Avengers" on the cover made them easier to market than Thuderbolts anyway. (That's probably also the reason they added the "Hawkeye and..." bit into those Thunderbolts TPBs, even though they weren't originally called that.)

One of the best things about the movies making Avengers a household name is that a lot previously neglected Avengers comics have now been reprinted, or collected for the first time. For example, pretty much all of Roger Stern's run (except for his first handful of issues, but in those Stern was basically just tying loose ends from Jim Shooter's run that preceded it) is finally available as TPBs. Which is great, since it's still the best bunch of Avengers comics ever published, IMO.

Marvel even collected Steve Engelhart's entire West Coast Avengers run as two of those big omnibuses, though to be frank it didn't really warrant such special treatment, regular TPBs would've been fine. But at least it's now available for people like me who didn't have chance to read WCA back in the day, AFAIK this is the first time those issues have been reprinted.

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They did? Sorry about that then, I guess I missed those other reprints.

But still, doesn't look like they're reprinting the newer Thunderbolts issues (by Ellis etc.) now, the ones that are based on the SS premise...

They did reprint the Ellis run in a single collection not too long ago. The only uncollected Thunderbolts at this point is the weird hinterland between the end of Busiek's run and when it was rebooted as New Thunderbolts.

Isn't that exactly what's collected in these new trades? Busiek's run ends in the third of those old TPBs (with Nicieza following him) and it looks like the new "Hawkeye and the Thunderbolts" books will continue straight from that.

Oh, I didn't realize those Hawkeye trades were the start of Nicieza's run. At any rate, there's a big chunk that's still uncollected prior to New Thunderbolts but I guess they may keep going with this reprint series.

That thing about Iron Man 3 not having a female villain because female action figures don't sell well enough. Has this been known for a while? I think I'm getting deja vu.

I think it just came to light. But it's worth noting that that was a decision made by the infamous Isaac Perlmutter, who has subsequently been shut out of the Marvel Studios decision making process by Disney.

I don't think Marvel in general has managed to create that many strong female villains? The only sorta well-known Iron Man female villain I can think of is Madame Masque, and even she falls into the ages-old "the love of a good man turns you from evil to good" cliche. (They had a version of her in Agent Carter, but she was so different it was practically a new character.) And many of the other famous female villains, like the Echantress or Emma Frost, have similarly turned away from villainy.

My favourite Marvel female villain is Moonstone... I just love villains who are pragmatic and opportunistic instead of fanatic and grandiose, who know when to fold 'em, and when it makes more sense to side with the good guys. Taskmaster is another villain I like for the same reasons. I'd love to see either of them in the movies, but the problem is that the movies typically only use villains who want to rule the world or destroy it, not ones who just want a bit of money and power.

I guess they could use Moonstone in the Ms. Marvel movie, because she's sorta become her dark counterpart, but she probably wouldn't be the main villain.

huh, I didn't know that Red Skull had a daughter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(Marvel_Comics)

dc apparently doing a damage control tv show before marvel does
http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/05/16/dcs-powerless-trailer-screened-at-nbc-upfronts/

hmm, hadn't thought of brie larson as captain marvel but i can see it working

Oscar Winner Brie Larson Is in Talks to Play Captain Marvel

yeah i'd thought katee sackoff in wildest dreams, emily blunt in plausible dreams. brie larson would totally work though.

katee sackhoff would be great but i think the ugly truth is that she'll be pushing 40 by the time the captain marvel solo movie comes out and it's super-unlikely a studio would cast a woman her age in a leading role that could last another decade

it'll end up being someone mid-20s to early-30s because hollywood is horrible

not that I disagree with you in general, but has Katee Sackoff done anything BSG? Seems like fanboy fantasy casting

A cops-in-Wyoming series called Longmire, on A&E and then Netflix. My wife's a big fan.

I'd actually love a 40-ish Captain Marvel — an Air Force colonel in her late 20s/early 30s seems a little Doogie Howserish.

Not just a little. I think the youngest colonel in recent history is a battlefield commission at 33 or so. And the USAF doesn't really do battlefield commissions.

yeah i thought brie might be too young but then remembered o right hollywood. sackhoff is on longmire which the two episodes i saw looked decent and she had a bout w/ cancer.

this looks potentially cool (+ Noah Hawley)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SZ3rMMYBLY

yeah, decent pedigree for sure - wonder if fox / marvel will branch out into more x-men-related stuff if this is a success? we could finally get that artie and leech show we've all been clamouring for for so long

also, brie larson cast as captain marvel!

oh, they're already branching out. Singer is exec-producing an unspecified X-Men show and there's one about The Hellfire Club in development also

My gut instinct for no reason beyond cynicism is to complain about the onslaught, but I still think this is a logical extension of comics themselves. Serialized, titles that go in and out of fashion, changing artists, changing "casts," crossovers, different visions for different titles, even big ups and downs in terms of quality, narratives, storylines, etc. At any given time there are how many Marvel comics titles on the shelves? Plenty. Makes perfect sense that the number of movies and TV shows should reflect it. I think it's kind of cool. And even if I haven't followed comics in years, I'd much rather this Marvel onslaught, in a way as much an extension/expansion of stories and titles as what goes on with the long running comics themselves, than lame reboots of blockbusters.

when are we getting an X-Statix show is what I want to know

That Legion show look INCREDIBLE

Yeah i am sold too

Hellfire Club show was nixed before it ever started development iirc.

Hard to get a sense of what that Legion show will be like from the preview but Hawley is a good move. I just finished reading Spurrier's X-Men Legacy run and was hoping they'd take a cue from that because it's really good but it looks pretty dissimilar.

(Neither of these things are MCU.)</nitpick>

Haven't seen Brie Larson in anything to my knowledge but I approve of this employment of post-Oscar cred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5PYZR30sG4

lol

He's definitely Nick Furry to me from here on out.

i'd def be down for a movie about butthurt, bored thor in the style of what we do in the shadows