PJ Harvey - The Hope Six Demolition Project (2016)

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I find a lot of her albums to be almost intentionally alienating, a tendency of hers, off and on. "Stories" is the opposite of that.

this is why it's her worst!

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 15 April 2016 15:08 (eight years ago) link

I dunno. I found it honestly accessible (as opposed to a sell out move). I think a lot of her alienating stuff is bullshit. I rate her so highly as a singer, songwriter and musician that it bugs me when she works equally hard to undercut her strengths.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:12 (eight years ago) link

Hope Six’s most thrilling points, Harvey delves back into the influence of her parents’ record collection to channel the swagger of Captain Beefheart, John Lee Hooker, and Howlin’ Wolf

see I'm tired of these people and their influence.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2016 15:17 (eight years ago) link

stories has her least interesting singing, songwriting and arrangements though. literally all of her other albums take those qualities into more emotionally affecting and complex territory. and i don't think her "difficulty" comes at the expense of accessibility or listenability at any point - for all the "stories is her accessible move" i don't find its hooks or traditional songcraft at all superior to those on is this desire? or to bring you my love, or any of her other albums tbh.

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 15 April 2016 15:17 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, that makes sense, I guess. But I do think her difficulty is in some ways an affectation, and that it does come at the expense of her listeners. But then, I literally never listen to White Chalk, Uh Huh Her, Is This Desire? or either of her John Parish albums, which is a pretty huge chunk of work from one of my faves. In fact, I can't think of any other favorite act whose catalog I largely avoid. 10 albums, 5 of which I listen to lots, 5 of which I doubt I'll ever listen to again. And the new one.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:26 (eight years ago) link

i haven't listened to white chalk in a long time. that's a cool record. and i came late to it. didn't hear it when it came out. i don't know if i've ever heard uh huh her.

i also don't remember what is this desire? sounds like.

i think the only thing i remember not really liking was that duo album she did in the 90's.

and i'm still afraid that if i keep reading about the new one its somehow gonna magically take away from how much i loved LES. maybe i should stop reading about the new one...

scott seward, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:26 (eight years ago) link

white chalk is perfect listening when you're ill and feverish fyi

PJH fans who don't listen to is this desire? baffle me, it's her absolute pinnacle and she thinks so too

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 15 April 2016 15:28 (eight years ago) link

i should get a copy of is this desire? i don't have one. i should look for the old stuff i haven't heard for ages. would like to hear it again.

scott seward, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:32 (eight years ago) link

yeah, i think it's her best album too.

tylerw, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:33 (eight years ago) link

is this desire? is amazing. she played on pbs' sessions at w 54th around that time and just killed it.

adam, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:34 (eight years ago) link

i just looked in my stupid store and all i have is rid of me and i don't really need to hear that now. i've heard it so many times.

scott seward, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:34 (eight years ago) link

totally weird to me that anybody who rates her highly would not very much dig the two parish records. Dance hall's got her most magnificent singing…and Scott (I wanna come to your store; is it near great barrington? I'm going there this weekend), get thee to Is this desire with the quickness…contains my favorite thing she ever done…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XPkZwuUlKY

veronica moser, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:35 (eight years ago) link

dance hall at louse point is also incredible yeah ("taut", holy shit), i always forget about the second parish collab though

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 15 April 2016 15:36 (eight years ago) link

i remember when Stories came out and i don't know if surprised is the right word but i was impressed that she was still making such solid records. and meanwhile 11 years later she puts out what is definitely one of my favorite records. that's hard to do! that's like 20 years of good stuff. until...

scott seward, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:37 (eight years ago) link

yeah it's funny that right now she's basically at the Empire Burlesque point in her career

tylerw, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:38 (eight years ago) link

i just haven't heard is this desire? since it came out. i remember liking it. maybe i should give the 90's collab album another try. i guess i just wanted more like the first three albums when i heard that back then.

scott seward, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:39 (eight years ago) link

it's frustrating to me that I've never been able to find a live version that approaches the dark majesty of that recording, but this is okay…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfFssEJfc7k

veronica moser, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:39 (eight years ago) link

i named my dog after that song. here's a low quality rip of that sessions @ w 54th:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow3OS9pmYwg

adam, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:41 (eight years ago) link

oddly enough, I have never seen her speak until right now via some guardian video. Is she posh, Lex? I don't have much of a radar for UK class shit…

veronica moser, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:46 (eight years ago) link

Perfect Day for Elise is the only song I can recall from that one. And maybe it was in a movie?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:47 (eight years ago) link

wouldn't ever call her posh but just solidly middle class west country farming stock i guess

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 15 April 2016 15:48 (eight years ago) link

tonight show appearance still one of the most awkward/uncomfortable moments i've ever witnessed on television. after she fired her band or whatever.

scott seward, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:56 (eight years ago) link

performance AND cringe interview with leno.

scott seward, Friday, 15 April 2016 15:57 (eight years ago) link

Listening with fresh (older) ears and yeah, still not feeling "Is This Desire?" Don't like the production/playing/songs that much, and I forgot about all the grungy trip-hop elements. But yeah, "Elise" is still great.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 16:20 (eight years ago) link

it's a good record with great highlights, but by no means the apex of her career

Keks + Nuss (contenderizer), Friday, 15 April 2016 16:24 (eight years ago) link

it's the sonic consistency and immersive quality of Stories that has worn really well for me. It wasn't my favorite PJH record when it came out (To Bring You My Love was) but it's the one I most enjoy returning to at this point

Dan S, Friday, 15 April 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, going straight from "Is This Desire?" to "Stories" on the stereo just now is like going from black and white (and sepia and grey) to Technicolor.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 16:34 (eight years ago) link

I think her vocals on tracks like "Big Exit" (when she goes low and growly) and "Kamikaze" (when she goes high) are just so awesome and energized. The show behind this album here (when she was stuck in the US immediately post 9/11, iirc) was incredible, especially given the coincidental themes and overtones of the album.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 16:36 (eight years ago) link

I still adore about half of SFTC, but much of the contemporary criticism sounded relieved at her accessibility.

The first half of ITD? is the strongest of her career imo.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2016 16:40 (eight years ago) link

I don't recall reviews relieved at her accessibility, but maybe your memory is better than mine. I remember it being described as her "in love" album or whatever, which I suppose by default is accessible.

I always assumed a lot of the high praise for "Is This Desire?" came from it being the first new album of hers people heard after getting introduced to her by "To Bring You My Love."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link

Male critics love it when female (and male) artists Find Love.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2016 16:53 (eight years ago) link

I think everyone generally loves that. But when I first heard it, the very first listen (which I remember, on the train, with a CD walkman and an early advance of the album) I thought it was so, so dark. Like "Tunnel of Love" or something, an album about love and being in love but totally cloaked in shadow and doubt.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 16:55 (eight years ago) link

"Beautiful Feeling" nails that.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link

I haven't been paying attention to the lyrics on THSDP so I haven't had any cringe moments; I'm enjoying how these songs immensely.

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Friday, 15 April 2016 17:21 (eight years ago) link

"Male critics love it when female (and male) artists Find Love."

i did not know this! i thought they liked it when people were pissed off.

scott seward, Friday, 15 April 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link

misery's cool until it actually makes you feel uncomfortable or alienated

cher guevara (lex pretend), Friday, 15 April 2016 17:39 (eight years ago) link

Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea [Island, 2000]
If Nirvana and Robert Johnson are rock's essence for you, so's To Bring You My Love. But if you believe the Beatles and George Clinton had more to say in the end, this could be the first PJ album you adore as well as admire. It's a question of whether you use music to face your demons or to vault right over them. Either way the demons will be there, of course, and nobody's claiming they won't catch you by the ankle and bring you down sometime--or that facing them doesn't give you a shot at running them the fuck over. Maybe that's how Harvey got to where she could enjoy the fruits of her own genius and sexuality. Or maybe she just met the right guy. Tempos and pudendum juiced, she feels the world ending and feels immortal on the very first track. The other 11 songs she takes from there. A+

I know it's impolite to put it this way, but sometimes getting laid can really be good for a person. On the recorded evidence--with no claim to any lowdown on Polly Jean Harvey's actual private life, a mystery as closely guarded as the whereabouts of Saddam Hussein and the formula for Coke--that's the secret of PJ Harvey's Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea, which even she allows is the happiest-sounding album she's ever made. What she daren't suggest is that it may also be the best.
The shift is first apparent in the music, which is, not to beat around the bush, fast. Way more easeful than the tightly wound, dynamically extreme bluesism of the career-launching Dry and Rid of Me, it's also way livelier than 1995's critical triumph To Bring You My Love, where Harvey's desperate carnality took a sharply metaphysical turn, and 1998's rhetorical question Is This Desire?, the answer to which was maybe. While her austere sonic signature remains, the vocals are discernibly more relaxed, the tunes welcoming and even expansive. Listen for shadings on the guitar attack, too--piano, organ, marimba, is that bandoneon? The album's an up from the first strums of "Big Exit," unquestionably the most rousing opener of her career.

Granted, maybe you'll smell shtick even so--our Polly, getting archetypal with the elementals again. After all, "Big Exit" does meditate painfully on human suffering. But the song's aesthetic thrust is all in the two lines of euphoria her ruminations try to rationalize away: "I'm immortal/When I'm with you." That's why it's so rousing. As she reports in the redolently titled "This Is Love": "I can't believe that the axis turns/On suffering when you taste so good." Long blessed with uncommon talent and success, Harvey can finally accept her "bad fortune slipping away."

Harvey has always been sex-obsessed. But there are better things to do with sex than obsess about it--enjoy it, for instance. And though the love affair the album describes or invents may end badly--e.g., the furious "Kamikaze," or the lovely "The Mess We're In," sung mostly by Radiohead's Thom Yorke--at least it sounds like a true affair, rather more full-bodied than "Robert DeNiro, sit on my face." Harvey and her beau ideal dance and get drunk, walk through Little Italy and sit looking at the skyline from a Brooklyn rooftop. Maybe they'll fulfill the dream of the finale: "But one day/We'll float/Take life as it comes." Or maybe she'll attain that state of grace with someone else. Whatever happens, this album will be there to remind her how happiness feels.

Rolling Stone, Nov. 9, 2000

Now I Know How Joan of Arcadia Felt (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 15 April 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link

no trolling RS reviews! too late...

scott seward, Friday, 15 April 2016 17:46 (eight years ago) link

Well, that's Xgau for you.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 18:07 (eight years ago) link

misery's cool until it actually makes you feel uncomfortable or alienated

and then it's art (man)

Keks + Nuss (contenderizer), Friday, 15 April 2016 18:22 (eight years ago) link

im ignoring the lyrics and like djp im enjoying this mick harv is god

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 15 April 2016 18:32 (eight years ago) link

Suddenly remembered that I saw her twice behind "Stories," once at a club but the other opening for U2! (This is back when Margaret Fiedler was in the band.) What struck me was despite a decade of critical praise and rabid fans and releasing an "accessible" album that got great reviews, I felt like no one in that place knew who the fuck she was at all. A useful reminder of scale.

Was that the last album she properly toured behind?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 18:33 (eight years ago) link

nah there was a big les tour

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 15 April 2016 18:36 (eight years ago) link

Maybe she just doesn't tour the States? There have been one-offs here and there, I guess.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 18:38 (eight years ago) link

Honestly I'll still stand by the actual rock songs on Stories, they're mostly fantastic. It's the moments when the tempo drops that let it down, and unfortunately there are lots of them.

The only albums I genuinely love all the way through are Dry and LES, but Is This Desire has her highest highs almost unquestionably.

Just starting the new one again. It's the first time I've heard Hope Six in a month and the clumsy way in which the lyrics are forced into the melody would put the Manic Street Preachers to shame.

Matt DC, Friday, 15 April 2016 18:41 (eight years ago) link

nah dude she toured the states for les. there's a sickkkk soundboard recording of the san francisco show circulating.

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 15 April 2016 18:44 (eight years ago) link

OMG that stories review.

Matt DC, Friday, 15 April 2016 18:48 (eight years ago) link

xpost Yeah, it looks like she played ... 4 shows in the US behind it, two in NYC, two in CA (one of those Coachella). Looks like her 2009 tour with Parish was more extensive.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 April 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link

oh my bad.

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 15 April 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link

Good album. Might even turn out to be a great one.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Friday, 15 April 2016 21:08 (eight years ago) link


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