Hey, Josh (or anyone) - I never watched Mad Men at all, but was that a water cooler kind of show? Have we had any TV stuff recently that compares to where BCS is coming from?
― a spate of non-fatal hammer attacks (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 18 April 2016 23:28 (eight years ago) link
I didn't watch it, but Mad Men was for sure omg water cooler fodder. Sopranos, too.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 April 2016 23:37 (eight years ago) link
Most ppl at my water cooler complained about not enough happening on mad men fwiw
― Οὖτις, Monday, 18 April 2016 23:46 (eight years ago) link
Cool that you all still got water coolers.
― pplains, Monday, 18 April 2016 23:49 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, I honestly don't know much about Mad Men, but it did seem to be compulsive viewing for its fans. A show like Empire is often kind of overlooked, because it's largely got an African-American viewership (65% or something), but its ability to capture and hold numbers is pretty remarkable. I think at one point was, or maybe still is, getting watched in something like 30% of all black homes, which is a huge number. I assume a show like that gets talked about a lot the day after, given what a massively dedicated fan base it clearly has.
And actually, per xpost, I don't think there is a lot of TV that compares to BCS. It's so much slower, more patient, beautifully composed and acted. It's really like chapters of a book, I guess, and so far doesn't feel at all like it's being padded out or primed for an infinite run. It feels like it has a very specific story in mind, told a very specific way - not a season long "arc," per se - and that makes it kind of special, at least to my tastes. Its dynamics are so in balance, especially/surprisingly for a show that is so otherwise stylized. There are elements of comedy, thriller, law, romance, drama in it, but it's not really any of those things.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 01:25 (eight years ago) link
twitter is the national water cooler/#obvious #trenchantsocialobservations
― ulysses, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 01:48 (eight years ago) link
oh god, watching this scene with Chuck in his faraday cage in progress.... I know what he grabbed from the garage
so painful waiting for this to drop
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 14:35 (eight years ago) link
so, that was that. I had a feeling he was doing that from the beginning of the scene.
I expect he'll just hold it over him; clearly Jimmy never gets disbarred or he wouldn't be able to practice as Saul later on?
― akm, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 19:35 (eight years ago) link
Chuck is respectable as a good lawyer but imo he's just such a bad human being. I mean, every single move he's made could be excused as him being a stickler for the rules and "moral"
That is, until his mom's dying words were asking for Jimmy and he never said a damn thing
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 19:40 (eight years ago) link
"I'm doing everything the right way in life, why does no one like me?"
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 19:41 (eight years ago) link
Great series. Anyone want to speculate about how left the note for Mike? Because I have no idea
― paolo, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:43 (eight years ago) link
who left the note rather
― paolo, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 21:44 (eight years ago) link
My money's on Gus.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 22:52 (eight years ago) link
Who is probably also stalking Hector.
pretty poor finale imo. they ramped up the setup for jimmy confessing way too quickly, and "oh look it's a tape recorder" is fairly shit plotting. i didn't feel enough work had been done to make jimmy confess, like not even slightly. it was stupid.
i've really enjoyed this season but the mike stuff was crappy too - some sniper scenes, mysterious note.
― japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 22:56 (eight years ago) link
sniper scenes were awesome, u mad
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 23:24 (eight years ago) link
tape recorder deus ex machina was both obvious and labored but otherwise a great ep
― ulysses, Tuesday, 19 April 2016 23:52 (eight years ago) link
really enjoyed Chuck digging through the box of electronics with salad tongs
― μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 19 April 2016 23:56 (eight years ago) link
Ehhhh, tape recorder would've been obvious and labored except in this instance, Chuck is once again exposing himself to the dangerous electricities just to screw his brother over.
Several times in this episode, I was feeling pretty bad for Chuck. Like, he's clearly not a well man and maybe I've been too hard on his shittier tendencies. But his little tape recorder game? Pssh. Fuck that guy.
The note was clearly from Gus. So I was almost correct in my belief that he'd show up by season's end. But otherwise I don't think I predicted a single turn the story took. Great season, great show.
― You're A Peein' Youth In Asia (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 00:18 (eight years ago) link
i didn't even realize that was finale. thx guys :(
― #amazing #babies #touching (harbl), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 00:58 (eight years ago) link
Didn't Gus send Walter White a "Don't" message once?
BTW do we know how Hector got paralyzed? Because I would've bet we were going to find out last night.
― a spate of non-fatal hammer attacks (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 01:28 (eight years ago) link
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/04/better-call-saul-gus-frings-back-title-anagram-finale
― ulysses, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 01:32 (eight years ago) link
^ don't read this unless you want some MYSTERIES REVEALED
― ulysses, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 01:33 (eight years ago) link
Hector has a stroke at some point.
Xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 01:48 (eight years ago) link
what a great show
― HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 02:49 (eight years ago) link
Their episode title acrostic was very cute and clever, but did they honestly think the fans couldn't figure out who left the note without their clues? Come on, guys.
― You're A Peein' Youth In Asia (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 03:31 (eight years ago) link
speaking to BCS ratings: it is managing about a half million fewer viewers than Love and Hip Hop 5http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2016/04/19/monday-cable-ratings-april-18-2016/
― ulysses, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 04:11 (eight years ago) link
Thought the tape recorder was going to be in the clock. What's up with Chuck and timepieces anyway.
Not crazy about Jimmy going through all of that only to go hey, ya got me. Maybe I'll come around to it later.
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 04:27 (eight years ago) link
He only came clean out of concern for Chuck. He wouldn't have confessed under other circumstances. Chuck knew that Jimmy's affection for him was a weak spot and he exploited it like the fucker he is.
― You're A Peein' Youth In Asia (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 04:38 (eight years ago) link
man this show is so good
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 20 April 2016 06:14 (eight years ago) link
Jimmy tries to weasel out of it, Mike just shrugs and is like "yeah, what you gonna do?"
Mike had leverage over Nacho that Jimmy didn't over Chuck tho
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, April 13, 2016 4:22 PM (1 week ago)
curious -- what leverage did mike have over nacho at that point? (referring to when nacho figured out that mike made the truck hit.) seems like nacho had every reason to just waste mike at that point. is it just that he liked him?
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 20 April 2016 06:15 (eight years ago) link
thought for sure mike was gonna accidentally shoot nacho in that sniper scene btw -- great red herring by the writers to have that scene with the gun salesman guy where mike misses the mark by a few inches
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 20 April 2016 06:21 (eight years ago) link
Do we think that Mike wanted Hector dead simply because he was concerned that he'd come after him when he realised what he was up to with the robbery and the Tuco incident, or is it also because Hector is an evil thug who deserves to die?
And why did they need to execute the driver anyway? I'm assuming that it was because they didn't want word to get out that one of their trucks got robbed
― paolo, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 08:14 (eight years ago) link
I think I'm the only person who didn't see the tape recorder coming :(
― paolo, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 08:15 (eight years ago) link
I didn't, either, until Jimmy's (admittedly a little too pat) speech started.
I'm guessing the reason for killing the driver could be anything from your suggestion to Hector being a vicious asshole who doesn't like his employees to fail him.
― a spate of non-fatal hammer attacks (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 08:31 (eight years ago) link
Hector probably thought it was an inside job. Why else would someone rob the truck and leave the driver unharmed?
― pplains, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 13:33 (eight years ago) link
It's possible that Mike wanted Nacho dead, not Hector, and that it was Hector who was in the way, not the other way around. Even Nacho said Hector had moved on, but Nacho is the one who was anxious, and also the only one who could connect Mike to anything.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 13:36 (eight years ago) link
No he wanted Hector dead because Hector threatened his family. He didn't shoot because Nacho was in the way!
― woman in the dunes, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 13:40 (eight years ago) link
Why would he have wanted Nacho dead? That makes no sense.
― You're A Peein' Youth In Asia (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 13:44 (eight years ago) link
Because Nacho is the only one who knows who is or what he's been up to? And Nacho is not in Breaking Bad.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 13:48 (eight years ago) link
Who he is.
I mean, who knows? Why did Mike rob the truck before attempting to kill Hector? And like I noted, Nacho told him Hector had moved on and no longer was threatening him, so why start shit?; surely if Hector wanted his family (or Mike) dead he could have done it.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 13:50 (eight years ago) link
Yeah but how would Nacho explain how he knows Mike without implicating himself? Also if Mike wanted Nacho dead he could have just shot him at one of their secret meetings.
― woman in the dunes, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 13:55 (eight years ago) link
With respect to Mike wanting Hector dead, it may be as simple as he doesn't like anyone having leverage on him and certainly doesn't like anyone threatening his family. Nacho isn't going to say anything about his involvement with Mike because, as he stated, they'd both be dead. And Mike has been pretty fair and cordial with Nacho, all things considered.
― You're A Peein' Youth In Asia (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 13:55 (eight years ago) link
Mike wants to kill Hector because he isn't the killing sort of person, paradoxically. He left the driver alive, and then found out it's the sort of criminal enterprise where people get killed as an example when their shipments get hijacked. Hector kills loose ends, and knows about his granddaughter. So he's going to kill Hector.
― μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 13:58 (eight years ago) link
Just seems a little too "Death Wish," because, again, Hector could have easily killed Mike's family by now, or threatened them again, or whatever, but we haven't seen him do that. So why would Mike keep stalking him and planning to kill him? Seems a little too short game for him, and petty. But who knows, clearly he doesn't kill him.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 14:03 (eight years ago) link
curious -- what leverage did mike have over nacho at that point?
was referring to Mike knowing about Nacho's "side business" with the pill guy, etc. Mike could conceivably rat Nacho out to Tuco about that (w out necessarily implicating himself, after all he was just there as pill guy's body man). Nacho had every reason to just kill Mike, which is why he considered reaching for his gun, and at that point it came down to who could kill who first, and Nacho didn't like his chances. That's how I read it anyway.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 15:08 (eight years ago) link
and yeah damn this show is so good
The tape recorder seems obvious in hindsight and is as a plot twist, but it's entirely believable that Jimmy would fall for it given that Chuck's psychosis over the course of the episode was 100% genuine. That's the thing, Chuck knew that he could rely on Jimmy's essential good nature and fucked him over for it.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 15:12 (eight years ago) link
The course of the rest of the episode, I mean.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 April 2016 15:13 (eight years ago) link