HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

and I thought these were RIDICULOUS questions a la Deej's response but the discussion that followed was worth it

Ok well then to that, yes, nobody in Westeros believes the white walkers exist (anymore or at all). So it indeed resembles climate change debates but in an exaggerated sense.

I think in a ridiculous make-believe world like this one there is no such thing as a ridiculous question, especially because any such questions with answers will no doubt be answered by something equally ridiculous. "Well of course no one can ride dragons, because the Anti Dragon Rule of the Land of Erp decreed that no one shall ride a dragon before their 18th birthday, and all children were killed before they turned 18, so yes there were no dragon riders but the entire population of the Land of Erp got old and died and took with them the secrets of the ancient dragon-taming scrolls, written in the dead Oompa tongue, which no one could translate, anyway, since it can only be seen under the Red Moon of 5th Autumn, and we have not seen one of them in 300 years."

Which is to say, afaic, it's all good.

The Oompa tongue died after Willy Wonka took all the Loompas as slaves, I take it.

well we got all the parts of every line up to "...dee daa" or sometimes it's "...dee dee" but the rest of the words, no clue

They took their confectioner secrets to the grave.

i think we talked about this quite a bit on the other thread but the approach to magic in Martin's universe is really cool imo--it's a genuinely strange and (often) unnerving thing to most people. it remains mysterious and subject to the whims of the gods or whatever--just like it should in a pre-modern context.

tolkien is mostly good at this too. dreary magic systems are a plague upon fantasy literature.

I think in a ridiculous make-believe world like this one there is no such thing as a ridiculous question, especially because any such questions with answers will no doubt be answered by something equally ridiculous. "Well of course no one can ride dragons, because the Anti Dragon Rule of the Land of Erp decreed that no one shall ride a dragon before their 18th birthday, and all children were killed before they turned 18, so yes there were no dragon riders but the entire population of the Land of Erp got old and died and took with them the secrets of the ancient dragon-taming scrolls, written in the dead Oompa tongue, which no one could translate, anyway, since it can only be seen under the Red Moon of 5th Autumn, and we have not seen one of them in 300 years."

yeah man let those fuckin' nerds have it. so good

as it was told in the book of custos

Got no problem with the nerds! I've read two of the books and watch the show. Both are really easy to avoid, if I wanted to, but at least with the show I totally admit I am engaged. I'm just frustrated that six seasons in and so much remains nebulous, at least to me. Just from a craft standpoint, it's getting harder to believe they can tie up so much satisfactorily, but maybe I will be really surprised, in which case, I doff my Valerian helmet.

Also, tbh, I can sense my wife's interest waning a bit, and if she goes, usually that means I go as well. So I'm rooting for the nerds!

shit is not going to be tied up satisfactorily

That's probably true enough. But at least as long as it holds to some sort of logic I'm prolly OK. Like, if there is a literal deus ex machina intervention - which is totally possible in this world - I'd be bummed.

GRRM has specifically said he's not going to pull a Lost. I really hope he pulls it off.

Dude has said a lot. But it's possible he'll pull it off in his way and the show will fail in its way. Or vice versa, both seem equally likely at this point, though there is a much greater chance of Martin dying before completing the story than the show getting cancelled before it reaches its own end.

oh they're not gonna get cancelled, hasn't HBO already ordered the final seasons (w the show runners wanting to split the last season in half or something?)

I hope this show ends with a ripping Edgar Winter guitar solo fwiw

Oh, it won't get cancelled. What I mean is there is a good (or not small) chance the show will end its run (well or poorly) and GRRM won't.

yeah I think that's entirely likely

GRRM might be spooked by what went down with Robert Jordan, worried DBW and Benioff are his Brandon Sanderson, and get his ass in gear. would be excellent if the concluding book dropped the day the final season premiered

I feel a very tiny amount of bad that Shakey made a perfectly serviceable St. Elsewhere joke yesterday and then had to come back today and be like "they will not tie this up satisfactorily"

i sort of feel bad too there's zero gay of thrones discussion on this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQT7qDKcGDc

pretty sure the show ends with dany and jon sharing an incestuous kiss as they ride a dragon while it napalms an army of white walkers

fin

oh btw there was a partial explanation to the buning question of where prince whothefuck was when the Sandsnakes killed him. The letter from Jaime his dad got said that the prince was being sent back to Dorne on a boat, so I assume the SS intercepted the boat after seeing the letter.

You know what they say about ASSuming. It makes an ASSassin out of you and me.

ASS i always say, what, jaime betrayed cersei, and his whole "fuck the world, fuck everyone but us" speech was bullshit? why would that jaime write a letter to dr. bashir and not say boo to his sister/lover? where are my dragons? and where is bronn? did he deliver that letter? is he captive to the sandsnakes? where is theon's sister? where is beric dondarrion? loose threads everywhere

Text of the letter:
"The Princess Myrcella died by poison on our return journey. I suspect Ellaria Sand, not you, but my sister will demand war. I doubt Ellaria’s head will appease her, but it is a start, along with your nieces. Your son cannot stay in King’s Landing. I am sending him back on the same ship."

xp Theon's sister will return along with Theon's uncle according to imdb

yeah they're back this season they've just been thinking for a while.

Plenty of big moves in this episode. I like the Greyjoy home a lot. Surely it wouldn't be hard to kill off the sparrows now. Tyrion's risk with the dragons was unconvincing.

jon snow revive was too early

Why? I'm glad they didn't drag that one out.

Who is the cousin Jaime said he killed?

big moves, bad dialogue, felt forced

When he was in a cell being held by the Starks.

Alton Lannister. Jaime killed him to get out of his captivity in season 2.

A funny mention, since there definitely is a bunch of kin-slaying going on this season.

I kinda like watching this show again after it caught up to the books. It's pretty clear that George RR Martin is much more concerned with the rules of his word than the Benioff and Weiss. Which is okay, of course, but I do scratch my head a bit if Ramsay Bolton can get away with killing his father, brother and (step)mother, without his men rebelling.

But I still liked the episode more than I liked the last few I watched.

So Melisandre was able to reanimate Jon because she had lost her faith, right? There was something in that Brotherhood w/o Banners storyline about how a priest lost his faith and then somehow woke the dead iirc

i think she was able to reanimate jon because kit harrington is pretty popular

Yeah. I'm not sure if they intended any sort of connection between corpse-revival-powers and loss-of-faith. I'm assuming a coincidence unless they reiterate it somehow. For instance, the Brothers priest guy was still able to revive their guy even after his faith was restored the first time it worked.

I don't think the power gets revoked if your returns

Thoros then confesses how he had always had a large lack of faith in the Lord of Light and never took his duties seriously because of them, until the day that Gregor Clegane killed Beric, his friend, and Thoros was called upon him to revive him. When he saw that it worked, Thoros's faith was restored.

So you're saying there's a trial membership to get you hooked?

i was thinking there would be some focus on "king's blood" as being special and as a foreshadowing of future revelations but other than showing her sponging him down for a weird amount of time that didnt happen.

Yeah it would have been a little stronger if the "king's blood" had been a more significant element in the scene. I agree it certainly seemed that way with all of the sponging.

p funny how the show ppl were so adamant abt saying he was dead and not coming back and no one believed them and then he only stayed dead for less than two eps

real quality cliffhanger they pulled off there

alliser thorne's no good very bad day is about to get worse

stoked for jamie to kill the sparrows

they probably shouldn't have said anything. i think the fact that melisandre was there at the end of the season was the problem, like if she'd shown up at the beginning of this episode that would have been better for a cliffhanger. they should have kept him dead and brought back robb stark, complete with dire wolf head. that would freak out the squares even more.