THis is a thread where you try and remember the soulless pap from the eighties

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Worst thread ever!

the pinefox, Sunday, 20 April 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Alarm were brilliant - one of the best bands of the 80s. Catchy choruses that you can sing along to in the pub is what makes a good song.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 20 April 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

The word "pap" papers over a whole complex of unexamined knee-jerk stereotypes, I tried starting a thread about it one time but I think it went nowhere.

I think the Pinefox missed one of I Love Music's very first FAPs in order to see a Johnny Hates Jazz reunion concert (if I recall correctly)??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 20 April 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Alarm were brilliant - one of the best bands of the 80s. Catchy choruses that you can sing along to in the pub is what makes a good song.

Why did I have some vague idea that you might just pop up and say that Geir? The alarm were most definitely not brilliant! I have decided, on the strength of this comment, that you are making all of this up and I don't believe you.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Sunday, 20 April 2003 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I didn't mind the Alarm at first (circa "the Stand" and even "Strength"), but by the time they limped out with "I Love to Feel the Rain in the Summertime," they were making Simple Minds sound like the greatest band in the universe.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Alarm were only great on their first two albums, after that they got very bad. But those two albums (particularly "Strength") are still incredibly great albums. The choruses of "The Stand", "68 Guns", "Where Were You Hiding When The Storm Broke", "Strength" and "Spirit Of '76" were all among the best choruses of all time.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

As for 80s music that was actually bad:

Public Enemy
De La Soul
Run DMC
Beastie Boys
Europe
Cinderella
Poison
M/A/R/R/S
Bomb The Bass
Bros
New Kids On The Block
Breathe
Curiousity Killed The Cat
Samantha Fox
Sabrina

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

There's nothing wrong with the song "Hold Me Now". That is all.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Assessing Geir's List:

Public Enemy - You're a cloth-eared IDIOT if you can't hear the brilliance in Public Enemy's first three albums.

De La Soul - Not my favorites, but had some decent moments.

Run DMC - Ditto.

Beastie Boys - Fuck you. Beastie Boys are brillaint.

Europe - Crap.

Cinderella - Embarassing, yes, but had the odd decent track.

Poison - Utter crap.

M/A/R/R/S - Why are you picking on a one-hit wonder? You're a jackass.

Bomb The Bass - Produced at least two tracks worth hearing.

Bros - Never heard'em over here.

New Kids On The Block - Crap, of course.

Breathe - Don't know'em.

Curiousity Killed The Cat - Meaningless.

Samantha Fox - Crap.

Sabrina - Crap.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Geir you already mentioned you think the rap and dance stuff is bad so i dont know why you bother here as well. most of the acts in your little list made fine or even GREAT records at some point

stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Bros were nobheads but 'When Will I Be Famous' isnt too bad for shallow 80s pop

New Kids - pretty dross, but no worse than N Sync

Breathe - one hit wonder, dreary ballad

Curiosity Killed The Cat - Misfit and Down To Earth were big childhood faves, they can stay

Sam Fox and Sabrina - a modicum of camp and humourous value at least

stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's really funny to imagine Vince Gill singing Alex's post.

The 80s Beastie Boys were about 8 trillion times better than the 90s Beastie Boys, and anyone who doesn't at least like "Fight For Your Right" is completely insane. That song ruined my life and I still love it. Geir in not liking rap music shockah, etc.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

How the hell can anybody hate Public Enemy??? They're so much better than any rap group around today that it's sad.

Evan (Evan), Monday, 21 April 2003 09:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

The choruses of "The Stand", "68 Guns", "Where Were You Hiding When The Storm Broke", "Strength" and "Spirit Of '76" were all among the best choruses of all time.

Geir, this statement coupled with your list makes it clear that you do not mean any of this. You cannot possibly use the words "best" and "of all time" in conjunction with The Alarm! Then saying that Public Enemy, Run DMC and De La Soul made bad music further reinforces the plain idiocy of this statement - if you are joking, then you are getting close to comedy genius, but if you're not I am quite frankly lost for words.
You are so wrong a deaf person could tell you so. I would venture to say that Run DMC were THE most important band of the past three decades, that Public Enemy made music that changed my life and De La Soul went on to make it even better.
While I don't normally set much store by notions of "taste", you obviously do and, I'm sorry to say, yours is truly abysmal! How do you place the aforementioned bands in a list with Curiosity Killed The Cat and Bros? Utterly dumbfounded...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 10:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

definitely comic genius going on here...no other explanation

the alarm's choruses ranking among "best" "of all time"...heh-heh-heh-heh-HEH...their song titles alone are hilariously bad...and PE, run-dmc, de la soul not making the grade, that's fucking brilliant.

incidentally, my girlfriend saw de la soul perform yesterday, and she said they were excellent. i have no reason to doubt her evaluation. she was stone-cold sober and it was the middle of the day.

this is like what, fourteen years or so down the road from '3 Feet High and Rising'?

dare i even ask what the current status of the alarm or its former members is? are they still coming up with choruses that are spoken of in the same breath as 'ode to joy'?

Dallas Yertle (Dallas Yertle), Monday, 21 April 2003 11:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

TS: Johnny Hates Jazz vs Danforth P Quayle....FITE!

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

definitely comic genius going on here...no other explanation

Keep telling yourself that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

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DPQ: ooof agh!
Excellent!
JHJ: sock whack thug crunch pop!
DPQ: ow erg ack!
You will NEVER Win, Hahahahaha
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DPQ: eeek aeeeegh!
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JHJ: Kapow!
DPQ: Aaaaaargh!
FATALITY!
FLAWLESS VICTORY

PLEASE INSERT COIN


Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Geir, this statement coupled with your list makes it clear that you do not mean any of this. You cannot possibly use the words "best" and "of all time" in conjunction with The Alarm! Then saying that Public Enemy, Run DMC and De La Soul made bad music further reinforces the plain idiocy of this statement

Alarm could have been completely crap, and still better than any hip-hop ever

Hip-hop is the worst ever thing to have happened to music since Schönberg invented his 12 tone "music".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

this is like what, fourteen years or so down the road from '3 Feet High and Rising'?

dare i even ask what the current status of the alarm or its former members is? are they still coming up with choruses that are spoken of in the same breath as 'ode to joy'?

Everything that has happened since then (apart from Britpop, which was a retro thing anyway) has taken music in the wrong directions. In a fair world, everybody would have hated musically talentless crap like rap, R&B and funk while Alarm would have been considered one of the most important acts of the 80s. Not because of being "influential" (who needs progression all the time anyway?), but because of their great singalong choruses.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

proof that Geir has demonstrated comic genius in this thread, if only when contrasted with this feeble attempt at humor by yours truly:

Titles of The Alarm's Greatest Choruses, err, Songs

"Where Were You Hiding When We Were Writing What Were Among the BEST Choruses of All Time, Whilst Putting Classic & Innovative Hip Hop Groups to Shame?"

"68 Guns (is Another Wretched Excuse for a Song Title, But it Matters None Because Our Choruses Stun All Human Aesthetic Sensibilities With their Heretofore Unparalleled Excellence)"

"Strength (Through Choruses of A Mind-Blowingly Wonderful Nature Which Erase Any Notions of Achievement by Genre-Transcending Rap Artists)"

"The Stand (Of The Best Choruses Ever Written and Performed, Against the Overwhelmingly Outmatched Hip Hop Artists, who Although Universally Acclaimed, are Actually Total Shite Because All Hip Hop is Total Shite, Owing to The Genre's Lack of Awesome Choruses, Such as We Possess in Extraordinary Quantities)"

"Spirit of '86 (A Year Known Only for Our Amazing Choruses and the Further Degeneration of the Already Illegitimate Music Genre Known as Hip Hop)"

Dallas Yertle (Dallas Yertle), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Next up: We make fun of Boy Bands!

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Everything that has happened since then (apart from Britpop, which was a retro thing anyway) has taken music in the wrong directions. In a fair world, everybody would have hated musically talentless crap like rap, R&B and funk while Alarm would have been considered one of the most important acts of the 80s."

your first sentence leads me to suspect that maybe you are liam gallagher writing under an assumed name. were oasis closet fans of the alarm? (is there any other kind? well, other than ironic ones taking the piss like i know you surely must be doing here...)

i know this will anger you, but, honestly, how can you make the statement in your second sentence and not be expected to be accused of being racist? "all" rap, r&B and funk is "musically talentless crap"??? i can understand those genres not being to your taste... but to deny that there is a tremendous amount of talent that went into the making of the countless songs in these categories is again, either you trying to be comical, or you being just bizarrely malicious...for what reasons, i can only surmise.

"Not because of being "influential" (who needs progression all the time anyway?), but because of their great singalong choruses."

with that logic, most football chants qualify as brilliant pop music, then, eh?

Dallas Yertle (Dallas Yertle), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

A lot of football chants are great pop music. "Three Lions", for instance, is absolutely brilliant.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

you can appreciate football chants but not any hip hop whatsoever?

that does not compute.

Dallas Yertle (Dallas Yertle), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Geir is actually President of the Flat-Earth Society for Quakers and Melody-makers

stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Geir is hilarious... he is making me laugh a lot on these threads... Ally how long has he kept up this façade for again?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's not a facade.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's not a facade. He's been doing this for nearly 9 years now that I've seen.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

I refuse to believe that - it has to be a very long, elaborate Situationist performance prank or i lose all faith in the world...

putting fingers in ears and singing "la, la, la — i can't hear you!" for all i'm worth

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your faith is gone and is running away merrily.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Over lunch, I was reminded how soulless and pap-filled Steve Winwood's "Higher Love" is. Pure yuppie mind control.

dleone (dleone), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Arc of a Diver" is still good though.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

you can appreciate football chants but not any hip hop whatsoever?

If there will ever possibly be any hip-hop song which

- contains absolutely no rap at all
- has a lot of compilated and sophisticated chord changes
- takes zero inspiration from R&B and a lot of inspiration from European classical music and Tin Pan Alley
- Puts a lot of emphasis on melody and harmony and absolutely no emphasis on rhythm at all
- the melodic parts are one hundred per cent originally composed, there is no sampling or turntablismn at all
- is throughoutly pre-composed with absolutely no improvisation
- takes one hundred per cent of its influences from European, European and absolutely nothing but European music

....then I'd probably like it.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 19:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wow.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:00 (twenty-one years ago) link


European, European and absolutely nothing but European music

What, like gypsy folk music?!?

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

"takes one hundred per cent of its influences from European, European and absolutely nothing but European music" - well, there goes Tin Pan Alley (and, oh yeah, the Beatles)

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your Eurocentrism points to the fact that you actually don't love music at all Geir and it's very, very worrying... By the way, is there any music which is 100 per cent European - I think not.

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your Eurocentrism points to the fact that you actually don't love music at all Geir and it's very, very worrying...

I love music, and music is European. Music was invented in Ancient Greece. What was before that wasn't called "music" by those who created it, and thus it wasn't music

By the way, is there any music which is 100 per cent European - I think not.

As long as the melodic and harmonic qualities of European music remains untouched, it doesn't matter whether other things are added in addition. There is nothing wrong with a drum pulse as long as it is kept in the background and doesn't disturbe the overall total dominance of the melody and its belonging harmonies.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Geir - you admit your outlook is losing the war thought right? why is this?

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

war though rather

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love music, and music is European. Music was invented in Ancient Greece. What was before that wasn't called "music" by those who created it, and thus it wasn't music

You are mad... plenty of things didn't have European names until they were given to them. It doesn't mean they didn't exist before then...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Music didn't exist before the Ancient times. Music was actually calculated by maths experts, and is entirely based on the calculations done by those guys.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Take astronomy for example... the reason things have European names is... now get this great conceptual leap... because we live here or live in countries where European languages dominate and that's what we call them!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Music didn't exist before the Ancient times. Music was actually calculated by maths experts, and is entirely based on the calculations done by those guys.

Absolute total bilge... music has been with us near enough forever

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

All organized noise isn't music. Music is by definition based on those systems invented by those ancient guys. The noises people made in the stone age had nothing to do with music.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

name names Geir (unless ur fruntin per usual)

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

neverminding how much of 'greek thought' originates in africa

James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not bothered by the rap groups being listed (I mean, I knew that was coming) but I'm irritated that Poison gets listed. Poison were great. Bon Jovi without the bloat. Aerosmith for kids. Yeeha! Great singalong potential there. Mel-o-dee. He'd love the songs if the Osmonds did them.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pythagoras (dunno if that is the correct English spelling) was definitely among those who worked with this. He may not have been the first one, but he was the one that was closest to the harmony system still used in the West today.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 21 April 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link


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