HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

also is max von sydow's name really just 'three eyed crow' ?

― dynamicinterface, Monday, May 2, 2016 1:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the book sez it's brynden rivers, i think, i wouldnt be surprised if they brought it up at some point

books say that Hodor's real name is Walder too, not Willis as in the show

whatutalkinabout walder

Karstarks' name is explained as basically some Starks that took control of the Karhold & made a portmanteau

idk why the karstarks would prefer to ramsay to roose

I think Ramsay was giving the Karstarks a chance to climb up over the other big Northern houses.

karstarks seem deeply unchill, their dead leader killed a couple lannister kids in S3, which seems more a ramsay move than a roose move.

Jaime killed Rickard Karstark's sons (both of them?), and he was hellbent on avenging the loss of his heirs, it was pretty consistently characterized (perhaps more so in the books).

xpost they already have a Walder tho

subplot of the shit in the north is people who have been pissed at the starks for decades or centuries finding their chance to take revenge

I find it best not to pay attention to the North stuff too closely

really missing concepcion's ask the maester pieces this season

― dynamicinterface, Monday, May 2, 2016 1:05 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

apparently u cn receive them via the ringer newsletter theres a link to one upthread

― lag∞n, Monday, May 2, 2016 1:06 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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xps thx for the tip

So in the "next on..." clips this week, they show a guy (pretty sure it's the lord of House Umber, the other big northern house that was mentioned being allied with the Boltons) telling Ramsay "I've brought you a present" - I guarantee it's Rickon Stark.
This means that Ramsay doesn't have to march on Castle Black, he can just send word he's got Rickon hostage and then Jon and Sansa will march on Winterfell. As foretold etc. etc.

Still wondering if/when we'll get to see Littlefinger again, or what role he has left to play.
Melisandre is also totally expendable now, I think? Obviously she might want to stick around to see what happens next but her main plot function has now been satisfied.

Also I like that the dragons were penned up in something like a garage - one little door for people, some other bigger door elsewhere for the dragons?

Lastly for now - I think the Ironborn role has to be to serve as the replacement fleet to get Daenaerys & Co. to Westeros. Possibly a little too neat that we burned her armada in Ep. 1 (why exactly, btw? what do the Sons of the Harpy care about keeping them from leaving? I haven't figured that one out) and then in Ep. 2 we re-introduce a seafaring pirate culture that was almost completely absent for a season & a half.

I've heard they've altered book names just because they're too close to existing show characters and it would be confusing. Hence Willis.

The real identity of the three eyed crow is an unsolved mystery in the books as well, so I'm guessing they won't give it away right now. But yeah, Brynden Rivers is the most common guess (who is from the prequels and all. It's complicated, it seems)

Melisandre is also totally expendable now, I think? Obviously she might want to stick around to see what happens next but her main plot function has now been satisfied.

Yeah, she already reached her boob quota in episode 1. xxp

Melisandre presumably will have her faith restored and would fall into some kind of similar role she did with Stannis? Maybe not so manipulative going forward though. Just a guess.

can't wait for legendary mercenary swordsman Willis to show up

https://media.giphy.com/media/gk6r53AIv3wf6/giphy.gif

Another silly thing about the plot in the north is Ramsay killing Wanda Frey, and pretty openly, when like half his army is Freys. At least in the book it seems that way.

Melisandre is possibly one of the most powerful and useful characters if she is happy to keep resurrecting people. I've always believed that some of the much older characters will be revived.

seems like a longshot to redeem melisandre.. she burned a little kid alive!

davos giving her a peptalk was really funny to me

having bringing back ppl from the dead be a thing seems bad from a storytelling pov, like time travel

the whole "jon snow is really dead" stuff makes me thing it's gonna be a semantic thing--he's gonna be "dead" according to some kind of logic--what is dead may never die?

At this point, what "jon snow is really dead" stuff are you referring to?

the logic would be, he entered into contract with Night's Watch, LLC that was binding until death

2x "whatchoo talkin' bout, Willis?" jokes in recaps so far

Oh yes, I believe "his watch has ended".

Found that shaving the 3 eyed raven made his character look less like a mystical tree wizard and more like a senior citizen who fell in a hole and got himself trapped during a stroll through the park.

i am really enjoying hating this even more this season! it's so dumb, everyone in it is dumb.

the trouble with a show full of shocking surprises is that the end effect is that you're never shown anything important. all of the thinking and acting that makes anything happen is all happening off screen. instead of tyrion and the eunuch having another unfunny conversation about castration (does george rr martin know the difference between cock and balls btw), why don't we take a look at whoever it is burned the boats? you know nobody is going to expend any effort to figuring it out. besides saying "we're trying to find who did it"

Perhaps there's a reason, and maybe the reason is that it's not important because it was obviously the Harpy

having bringing back ppl from the dead be a thing seems bad from a storytelling pov, like time travel

― lag∞n, Monday, 2 May 2016 18:41

Not when a story is about those things. I think resurrection was always meant to be a big part of the story, the whole ice/fire concept. There will probably always be some price paid for resurrection though. So far 3 characters have been revived (Jon, Beric, Khal Drogo) and other people have become white walkers. I don't think the witch who revived Drogo fits into the fire thing though.

Not when a story is about those things. I think resurrection was always meant to be a big part of the story, the whole ice/fire concept.

I don't understand how this works as a "theme", could you spell it out for me

Resurrection via fire vs resurrection via ice I guess?

Coming back from the dead vs. reanimated as an ice zombie

that's a plot mechanism not a theme

a theme would be what this ostensible conflict in resurrection methods represents

The theme police they come to me in my thread

Yeah I'm not sure how Robert is interpreting a connection between fire/ice and resurrection thematically.

I didn't say "about" as in strictly that sort of theme. Haven't got any solid theories about it but it's just my guess that the story is about the life forces of fire and ice and that includes resurrection.

I've also suspected for some time that the story really is another old fashioned wish fulfilment story about Bran and Arya (similar enough to your typical epic fantasy farm kids) rising to the top, but became about many other things.

I don't think it's about anything tbh, the show is all machinations about power and that's it. could be set in any time or place, really, the dragons and zombies etc. are just window-dressing. The problem there is that power struggles are p boring in and of themselves, might as well watch nature films about apes bashing each other's brains in or something, same difference.

might as well watch nature films about apes bashing each other's brains in or something, same difference.

― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 May 2016 20:00

Do you watch lots of those too?

don't forget the Mountain has also been brought back from death. kind of.

So this guy is Balon Greyjoy's younger brother (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Euron_Greyjoy), but THIS guy is Balon's YOUNGEST brother (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Aeron_Greyjoy)?

it doesn't even have anything particularly coherent to say about the nature of power or the pursuit of it either (ie, "power corrupts" or "power is awesome and revenge is totally worth it!" or similar), it just sets these various wind-up mechanisms into motion and then becomes about ways to keep the wheels spinning

xp

I do watch a lot of nature shows, they're great

xp

Oh yeah. Does anyone know if The Mountain ever actually died?

afaik it's never clearly stated. pycelle is gonna give up on him but qyburn steps up and does his thing

Euron Greyjoy (fifth son of Quellon Greyjoy) is played by Pilou Asbaek, who was born in 1982. Euron's youngest brother Aeron (eighth son of Quellon) is played by Michael Feast, who was born in 1946.

more like a senior citizen who fell in a hole and got himself trapped during a stroll through the park.

speak of ingmar bergman regular max von sydow with more respect you rude man!!!

I'm hoping the story is really about the birth of democracy (end of the GoT) where the little guys get sick of being fucked over and revolt (perhaps with the help of Daenerys), but so far it seems more cynical than that.

more like a senior citizen who fell in a hole and got himself trapped during a stroll through the park.

speak of ingmar bergman regular max von sydow with more respect you rude man!!!

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Monday, May 2, 2016 3:36 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wardrobe's fault. Acting is fine!

all the supernatural stuff gives the show some coherency, everyone facing the same epic struggles etc. in a way that wouldn't be possible in a less nonsense setting