HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

seems like a longshot to redeem melisandre.. she burned a little kid alive!

davos giving her a peptalk was really funny to me

having bringing back ppl from the dead be a thing seems bad from a storytelling pov, like time travel

the whole "jon snow is really dead" stuff makes me thing it's gonna be a semantic thing--he's gonna be "dead" according to some kind of logic--what is dead may never die?

At this point, what "jon snow is really dead" stuff are you referring to?

the logic would be, he entered into contract with Night's Watch, LLC that was binding until death

2x "whatchoo talkin' bout, Willis?" jokes in recaps so far

Oh yes, I believe "his watch has ended".

Found that shaving the 3 eyed raven made his character look less like a mystical tree wizard and more like a senior citizen who fell in a hole and got himself trapped during a stroll through the park.

i am really enjoying hating this even more this season! it's so dumb, everyone in it is dumb.

the trouble with a show full of shocking surprises is that the end effect is that you're never shown anything important. all of the thinking and acting that makes anything happen is all happening off screen. instead of tyrion and the eunuch having another unfunny conversation about castration (does george rr martin know the difference between cock and balls btw), why don't we take a look at whoever it is burned the boats? you know nobody is going to expend any effort to figuring it out. besides saying "we're trying to find who did it"

Perhaps there's a reason, and maybe the reason is that it's not important because it was obviously the Harpy

having bringing back ppl from the dead be a thing seems bad from a storytelling pov, like time travel

― lag∞n, Monday, 2 May 2016 18:41

Not when a story is about those things. I think resurrection was always meant to be a big part of the story, the whole ice/fire concept. There will probably always be some price paid for resurrection though. So far 3 characters have been revived (Jon, Beric, Khal Drogo) and other people have become white walkers. I don't think the witch who revived Drogo fits into the fire thing though.

Not when a story is about those things. I think resurrection was always meant to be a big part of the story, the whole ice/fire concept.

I don't understand how this works as a "theme", could you spell it out for me

Resurrection via fire vs resurrection via ice I guess?

Coming back from the dead vs. reanimated as an ice zombie

that's a plot mechanism not a theme

a theme would be what this ostensible conflict in resurrection methods represents

The theme police they come to me in my thread

Yeah I'm not sure how Robert is interpreting a connection between fire/ice and resurrection thematically.

I didn't say "about" as in strictly that sort of theme. Haven't got any solid theories about it but it's just my guess that the story is about the life forces of fire and ice and that includes resurrection.

I've also suspected for some time that the story really is another old fashioned wish fulfilment story about Bran and Arya (similar enough to your typical epic fantasy farm kids) rising to the top, but became about many other things.

I don't think it's about anything tbh, the show is all machinations about power and that's it. could be set in any time or place, really, the dragons and zombies etc. are just window-dressing. The problem there is that power struggles are p boring in and of themselves, might as well watch nature films about apes bashing each other's brains in or something, same difference.

might as well watch nature films about apes bashing each other's brains in or something, same difference.

― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 May 2016 20:00

Do you watch lots of those too?

don't forget the Mountain has also been brought back from death. kind of.

So this guy is Balon Greyjoy's younger brother (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Euron_Greyjoy), but THIS guy is Balon's YOUNGEST brother (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Aeron_Greyjoy)?

it doesn't even have anything particularly coherent to say about the nature of power or the pursuit of it either (ie, "power corrupts" or "power is awesome and revenge is totally worth it!" or similar), it just sets these various wind-up mechanisms into motion and then becomes about ways to keep the wheels spinning

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I do watch a lot of nature shows, they're great

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Oh yeah. Does anyone know if The Mountain ever actually died?

afaik it's never clearly stated. pycelle is gonna give up on him but qyburn steps up and does his thing

Euron Greyjoy (fifth son of Quellon Greyjoy) is played by Pilou Asbaek, who was born in 1982. Euron's youngest brother Aeron (eighth son of Quellon) is played by Michael Feast, who was born in 1946.

more like a senior citizen who fell in a hole and got himself trapped during a stroll through the park.

speak of ingmar bergman regular max von sydow with more respect you rude man!!!

I'm hoping the story is really about the birth of democracy (end of the GoT) where the little guys get sick of being fucked over and revolt (perhaps with the help of Daenerys), but so far it seems more cynical than that.

more like a senior citizen who fell in a hole and got himself trapped during a stroll through the park.

speak of ingmar bergman regular max von sydow with more respect you rude man!!!

― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Monday, May 2, 2016 3:36 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wardrobe's fault. Acting is fine!

all the supernatural stuff gives the show some coherency, everyone facing the same epic struggles etc. in a way that wouldn't be possible in a less nonsense setting

Is that what old people wear when they go for walks and fall down holes?

Looked at some images of him from season 4 and he had long hair and a beard.

I'm hoping the story is really about the birth of democracy (end of the GoT) where the little guys get sick of being fucked over and revolt (perhaps with the help of Daenerys), but so far it seems more cynical than that.

― schwantz, 2. maj 2016 21:47 (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The scene between Jaime and the Sparrows sorta was the first hint I've seen of that. Jaime turning around and looking at the men standing in front of the church windows was a pretty good visual.

the sparrows as a protestant reformation type thing which initiates a turn towards modernity would be genuinely interesting but im not sure they've laid enough groundwork for that on the show. i guess i could go read the wiki on the sparrows though...

the high sparrow is bernie.

lol, I had just typed out "At this point I can't even see the High Sparrow without automatically thinking «Bernie Sanders»."
I guess that makes Cersei the Hill, flanked by the Mountain.

you just know those hillary as cersei memes are coming, if they arent here already.

Mountain = Black voters?

The Mountain is Goldman Sachs

too big to fail

Jamie as the troublesome but charming ex she never should have slept with makes sense too tbh

Reading Jon Snow's fate as a plea for Obama to return for a third term now too. I'm sorry.

so about the preview for the next ep, was bran and the 3ec peeping in on ned et al trying to rescue lyanna? does that mean we finally get to meet howland reed? and/or finally some confirmation or about jon's parents?

Most likely!

the sparrows as a protestant reformation type thing which initiates a turn towards modernity would be genuinely interesting but im not sure they've laid enough groundwork for that on the show.

there is some talk of the maesters aiming for a world free from magic/dragons/prophecy/white walkers which might also herald the beginning of the early modern era for our intrepid gang
I believe this hot intel comes from a character called Marvyn the Mage whose arrival we all eagerly anticipate

I think they're laying a little ground work for shift to the early modern w/ Tyrion learning how to govern a city w/o unduly oppressing its occupants

Ramsey seems to represent a more ruthless early medieval or ancient order, where the new king would basically kill all of his relatives to remove legitimacy threats.

that is a funny reading of history you have there