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uh yeah, touch id is supposed to be the shortcut for a secure passcode. the passcode is the security, the fingerprints are locked to it

the point iirc is that you can have a long-ass passcode and still unlock the phone in the time it took to punch in 1-2-3-4

It just seems to me like a fingerprint is *more* secure than a passcode, no? So why require the passcode to get to the fingerprint option?

It's because the plain passcode isn't stored in the phone iirc. You put its hash into the secure enclave when the phone boots up

i realize that apple security is clever within the phone, but it's relatively easy to steal someone's passcode by looking over their shoulder or, if they are dumb enough to have written it down, to find it where they wrote it down, or by guessing it if they used a guessable code like a birthday. A fingerprint is less easy to steal.

No wait had that wrong. The secure enclave is encrypted with your passcode, so you need to supply it to unlock it after boot. Xp

The idea is to have a long and difficult passcode, which is hard to shoulder surf

the point is kind of that you will hardly ever need to enter the passphrase in public, since the fingerprint works

also if you have your phone's passphrase written down somewhere accessible you're already a lost cause

You can break into a dead man's phone if you've still got the body. Long-ass password is harder to retrieve.

I'd trust the people who do security work for their day jobs more than myself as far as qualified opinions go, though xp

actually the dead person thing is a catch-22: you have all the fingerprints, but there's no way of telling which ones they stored in the phone, and you have a limited number of chances

security-wise it's probably ideal to just scan one finger. as I learned this weekend, use at least one on each hand in case you slice your scanning finger with sharp glass

what do you guys use? I use my thumb, feel like a lot of ppl do

thumb. I have both thumbs scanned from a couple angles to make it work better.

middle toe of left foot.

It just seems to me like a fingerprint is *more* secure than a passcode, no?

― JWoww Gilberto (man alive), Tuesday, May 10, 2016 10:44 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's not if you have a real passcode, rather than a 4 digit PIN

https://brownhatsecurity.com/the-modern-bertillion.html

biometrics are a username not a password

reasonable analogy

somebody on one of these threads set one of the fingerprints with his nipple

You can break into a dead man's phone if you've still got the body. Long-ass password is harder to retrieve.

― pplains, Wednesday, 11 May 2016 01:04 (13 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/16/why-a-disembodied-finger-cant-be-used-to-unlock-the-touch-id-se/

the Touch ID sensor should be remarkably accurate for living creatures, but it also means that only a finger attached to a beating heart will be able to unlock it. So, should someone run up to you, hack off your finger, grab your iPhone and attempt to unlock it, there's virtually no chance it's going to work.

So all that shit in movies where someone glues "fingerprints" to their fingers or wtf ever is all bullshit? Gattaca, u lied to me ;_;

but then again i was reading just last week of something that could be fooled by photocopies of fingerprints.

Heh, just thinking about that use in Batman vs. Superman...
And even that article says you can still use the finger while it's "live" so you have a few minutes to make it work. So what if you freeze the finger? Or run an electric pulse through a disembodied hand? Though yeah probably easier to just make the person unconscious

Or just buy a phone.

in this one they used conductive inkjet rather than a photocopier: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2450100/galaxy-s6-and-honor-7-fingerprint-sensors-hacked-using-an-inkjet-printer

and there's another recent story about using playdoh but it's the daily mirror so i will spare you that.

and then there's this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34346802

"Millions of fingerprints stolen in US government hack"

the US government, man, it's STEALING YR FINGERPRINTS... #trustno1

I'm willing to accept the risk of using my fingerprint to authenticate for everything.

What about the eyeball scene in Demolition Man?

lately i have been finding my dell work computers w/ windows 7 have been way easier to use & better performing than my macbook

dell must have shipped you the magic golden computers because wow

going on 14 years of dell usage for work and still stuck on windows 7 for corporate reasons myself

iTunes update. Looks like they're finally starting to move back and make things better. First thing I notice? they got rid of the "playlists" tab. Now "my music" shows playlists if you have sidebar open, instead of that annoying thing where you had my music and playlists as two separate tabs.

nice

For the first time in years, an iTunes update feels like it actually improves something.

Seems to be opening quicker too?

i'm finding it slower but I'm finding everything slower. I need a new computer.

Clicked on some of the other tabs like Recently Added and the interface is starting to look more like Apple Music, which is fine.

So long as I can click on Songs and have all my playlists down the left side and have the browser on top iTunes essentially works exactly as it always has for me. Except for one thing. For god's sake PLEASE bring back the ability to open more than one playlist in a separate window again.

you guys are right, first time in a long time I was happy with an iTunes update. they remembered that design-wise they can reduce!

iCloud is horrible bullshit. Log in from three different devices, get three different answers on your available storage and what's taking up space. What a piece of shit excuse for a service.

Otm

some random pile of who knows what labeled "Backup" is taking up about 3 gigs of my free 5 and apparently I'm not allowed to delete it. Doesn't appear to be a backup of any devices that we have in the house. Did U2 make a movie called "Backup"?

Two month old Apple TV shit the bed overnight and requires a USB-C cable to even attempt restoration, which doesn't come with the Apple TV, or a 45 minute drive to the nearest Apple store with a Genius Bar opening... on Wednesday. Phone support's solution was an eager willingness to ship me one for $7.

Fuck this company.

Note: two Apple stores inside of 20 miles but neither will schedule an appointment at all.

jesus christ these ios update notifications are getting more and more annoying. just got the second one in what must be six hours. i'll update when I damn well please!

otm. just go the whole nine yards and block the phone completely until updated.

Note: two Apple stores inside of 20 miles but neither will schedule an appointment at all.

Struggled with this for days. Eventually found out that each day they add all the new appointment in the middle of the night (maybe just after midnight?) so you need to log on early to get one.

This is possibly the thing that pisses me off most about Apple: they're the only retailer I can think of where you can't just take back faulty goods to the store without making a (sometimes impossible to obtain) appointment first. Kind of feel it must be in contravention of consumer laws.

Huh? I thought the problem was that they won't schedule appointments, not that you can't walk in (and wait and wait) for service

Well yeah, you can wait and wait and wait if you like, but I don't really consider that an acceptable option.

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"Your storage is full" thanks Apple, I'll just go delete some photos of my friends and family but at least I'll always have the stocks app

Interesting

http://uk.businessinsider.com/qa-with-an-apple-store-worker-2016-5

Whyyyyyyyy does home sharing suddenly not work after the latest iOS update? Why can't I use my iPad or iPhone as a remote for iTunes any longer? Why do you continue to fuck up good things, Apple?

Is there any point to lightning cables other than to try to coerce you to buy more apple-branded bullshit? I fucking hate them, they fail so quickly, their connectors are unprotected meaning they corrode more easily, and all the non-apple-branded ones seem to work less well, even the "officially licensed" ones or whatever. My phone has to be coerced into charging now.

coaxed into charging I mean

I have not had such problems but that sounds hellish

My phone has to be coerced into charging now.

Is your slot full of fluff? Both my lightning slot and headphone jack get totally filled with lint which stops em working

Me too. I used a toothpick to gently get that stuff out of there.