woody allen

lol

interesting

bottom line which should be screamingly obvious, without any psychoanalyzing of Soon-Yi, is that for Allen to enter into this relationship, instigator or not, lol, was morally unconscionable by any reasonable standard

otm

goddamn right

btw fuck woody allen

no thanks

shush

for Allen to enter into this relationship, instigator or not, lol, was morally unconscionable by any reasonable standard

agreed

And I'll shut up now.

― Frederik B, Thursday, 12 May 2016 16:50 (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hey Fred!

This isn't useful unless you put the end date on it. Gives us an idea of how long we can enjoy it for.

Ta

Dmac

Fred, I think in a popularity contest between you and Treesh... well, there is no contest tbh.

coddled motor-mouth POLL

Wait, I thought in "travelin man" the mom runs off w/Dolly's bf?

Also Fred u suck

haha you may be right I might have that backwards lol

I think the setup is that her mom would be super upset about her seeing this shady travelin' man and the mom stealing him is the twist ending.

can't help but feel that the disgust at Woody and Soon-Yi's weird marriage could have something to do with a "conservative" view on sexuality, that a lot of those condemning their marriage would also condemn fx gay marriage - but that's just speculation

So bougie to just not understand how a man can fall in love with the woman he was intimately involved with as a pre-pubescent. For shame, squares.

he was not intimately involved with her as a pre-pubescent

why do I bother

xps some people have a knack for speculation. others don't.

ah, Gigi...

Treeship when are you gonna start defending me

He started dating her mother when she was between 7 and 9 years old. You can try to handwave away "involvement" but fuck anyone who chalks up looking askance at a guy later fucking that prepubescent child to "sexual conservatism."

hi i heard this is the thread where the men are talking

so the thing with woody is he met soon-yi when she was 15

no one argues that you have to be a sick man to have romantic or sexual feelings toward a 15-year old when you're 50

how far gone mentally does woody have to be to disassociate the 15-year old daughter role from the "oh just another woman" role to let himself develop any of these feelings for her

that sounds more sick

i used to love his movies. now this sick man is making me download his movies from torrent sites just so he doesn't pocket more royalties

i judge and am judged

circle of lyfe

think of the gaffers

If he met her at 15, he would have been dating Mia for 5 years without meeting one of the kids?

there's a picture floating around of him, mia and family from 1986 so that's where i'm getting that number from

Soon-Yi Previn was the adopted daughter of Farrow and her former husband, composer André Previn. Soon-Yi, who was born in Korea, was a child when her mother abandoned her by leaving her on a street in the slums of Seoul. Farrow and Previn adopted her in 1978, when a bone scan determined she was between 5 and 7 years old.[141][142]

woody allen began dating mia farrow in 1980, which means that soon yi was between 7 and 9 years old at the time.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/03/showbiz/gallery/allen-farrow-family-tree/

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140203115133-restricted-05-allen-farrow-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

treezy that makes it even more disgusting

it's really grotesque.

like beyond the fact that he knew her as a child, it is still fucked up to have an affiar with your girlfriend's daughter even if she is an adult. if i had a friend who was dating a 40 year old with a 20 year old daughter, and that friend began secretly seeing that 20 year old daughter, i would tell my friend he was behaving like a scumbag by wantonly destroying a parent-child relationship. so beyond the disgusting factor of it all, it was just beyond immoral.

frederik was right that i sometimes tend too far in the "judge not lest ye be judged" direction, but in this case i am pretty comfortable condemning woody allen. personally, i still see his movies bc they are mildly enjoyable cinematic junk food but i don't know if i can defend that decision morally. this is not even taking into account dylan's allegations.

frederik was right that i sometimes tend too far in the "judge not lest ye be judged" direction

(I think you're fine fwiw.)

America happy to be entertained by murderers, child abusers, wifebeaters, racists etc. why would they stop now

lol Alfred, I did actually sweat the wording of that a little

xp

― Οὖτις, Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:25 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol yeah none of that is exactly out of character

― Οὖτις, Monday, May 9, 2016 1:12 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

poll: any of you reading the James Brown wifebeating book?

lol exactly

on the scale of great-artist-does-terrible-things, which goes from, say, convicted murderer on one end to unsubstantiated accusation on the other, Allen's much closer to the latter camp imo

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 11, 2016 3:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he fucked up her life if anything. she was totally cut off from her siblings and mother at the age of -- what? 20? -- and now is stuck with an elderly condescending narcissist for a husband.

lol now who's being patronizing

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for Allen to enter into this relationship, instigator or not, lol, was morally unconscionable by any reasonable standard

agreed

― Οὖτις, Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:03 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha you may be right I might have that backwards lol

― Οὖτις, Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:12 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh snaps

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 11, 2016 6:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

child brides really bring the lolz for u shakey! v droll situation all around XD!

she's not his child bride

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdlmgoFJQJ1qcoaf4o1_500.jpg

it will never be over, sadly

i've always read the record-store reunion in hannah as implying that dianne wiest has renounced the evils of punk for the '40s pop that is, as always, the only music, but i suppose the sections could just be close together.

i suddenly remembered the obvious tho backgrounded example of the ur-woodylationship in this movie: max von sydow/barbara hershey. she leaves of course but she also delivers the usual reassurances about how much he's given her. btw i can prob still do mvs' long nihilistic monologue ("you missed a very dull t.v. program about auschwitz") verbatim so part of my sensitivity to this stuff is prob about being harsh on some version of myself.

i really don't mind at all if every thread on the site undergoes treeship's autodialectic but then i also think "racists" is an incomplete explanation of trumpism so i may be another sniveling apologist.

If he'd meet Soon-Yi on OKCupid when she was 28 and she'd never been Mia Farrow's adopted daughter, it doesn't change the fact that he's writing and directing dogshit movies.

list at the end of manhattan is kind of a prototype okc profile

as I"ve learned

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VTneZM0iFxQ/Uoqt_7IZaNI/AAAAAAAAIuM/bBUfemdau3U/s640/tumblr_mai3boHVco1qcga5ro1_500.gif

If he'd meet Soon-Yi on OKCupid when she was 28 and she'd never been Mia Farrow's adopted daughter, it doesn't change the fact that he's writing and directing dogshit movies.

This x1000. I clicked on an essay yesterday that started with the sentence "I believe Woody Allen is one of the great American filmmakers." and said to myself, "OK, we're all done here." Close tab.

he is one of the great American filmmakers

and he hasn't made a decent film in 15 years

that he still has some inexplicable audience to fawn over him in his dotage is weird and gross

allen is one of the great american humorists, no way he's one of the great filmmakers imo

i'd call Annie Hall, Zelig and maaaybe Sleeper great comedies.

He got better at directing for much of the '80s, but the last 20 years the scripts have been mostly recycled or just bad.

I agree w that, altho I think Purple Rose of Cairo and Manhattan are way up there with those three

I expect Alfred to chime in w Husbands and Wives but I don't like that one much

"Humorist" is what they call comedians who aren't actually funny.