Twitter C/D

the weird twitter / alt-left twitter line is really blurry at best and the problem is "weird" performative behavior is really just a hop and a slip-up away from ugly trolling.
like comedians who find themselves all of a sudden losing audiences (and bookings) because they didn't set up their use of homophobic and racist slurs as well as Louis C.K.

lol otoh kattwillferrell got hacked by isis so it could be worse

idk all the details, but we've kind of reached the point where criticizing person x's views and "organizing a harassment campaign" against person x can look pretty similar from person x's point of view. there's always pool of angry leftists/trump supporters/russian troll army just looking for a target, so anything that directs attention to a person can result in a tidal wave of shit, especially on twitter.

also this stuff reminds me of this from a month ago:
http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/04/how-social-autopsy-fell-for-gamergate-trutherism.html. basically no one knows which way is up online.

@jonathanchait
Following up from my hasty tweets last night, if Demos's account is true, firing @MattBruenig is clearly justifed

‏@HeerJeet
@jonathanchait I'm glad to see that you've changed your mind on political correctness.

― mookieproof, Saturday, May 21, 2016 12:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol twitter is inherantly petty, demos thinks is can win against this, its irresistible, look what it does even to the boringest man heer jeet

him making a stand irl and deciding he'd rather be fired from this job he does genuinely good work at and that apparently accounts for 30% of his income on the eve of having a kid because his conscience wouldn't allow him to take a breather from his weird mmorpg campaign against 'geriatric' liberals

― balls, Sunday, May 22, 2016 2:36 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean this guy willing to walk away from actual money so he can keep making mean tweets no one but other crazed high volume media consumers are even aware of

the tweet life

instead of having social media codes of conduct publications shd just write disclaimers saying that twitter drives writers insane its a known condition and theres nothing you can do abt it

lol I had no idea bruenig was a lawyer. he always kinda seemed like the most erudite and polite of the whole crew, writing pedantic blog posts about 'pragmatic sovereign wealth fund socialism'. he was pretty nice to Jamel's bound when everyone was hanging up on him last week. it's the army of fyad dudes that show up anytime they smell blood that kind of turn the corner into harassment... there can be some lols to be had but the worst is when they think they're accomplishing something like

https://twitter.com/amberaleefrost/status/718640659113119745

like... yea i don't care... the tweets are bad now...

btw I hate he sneering reproach with which sanders supporters use the word "liberals". you gotta be a full commie or right wing to use liberals as a pejorative imo not just someone who wants single payer. I like shitlibs though

Jamel's bound = Jamelle Bouie lol

stop telling americans what they can and can't use as pejoratives, flopson!

smdh pretending to be one of us

what happened with jamelle bouie last week?

i think there was something about his summarizing someone else's argument about racism being an impediment to a stronger u.s. labor movement in a tweet and maybe getting some little detail wrong or something. and subsequently getting jumped on by some segment of lefty twitter. my eyes glazed over pretty quickly. fwiw i think matt bruenig and jamelle have prob met irl and have fairly respectful relationship on twitter.

xp-idk he said something about the working class and racism

https://twitter.com/stuntbirdarmy/status/733846091347693568

Connor Kilpatrick wrote an article for Jacobin arguing that any progressive movement worthy of the name can't write the white working class off as uniformly racist and unsalvageable and Bouie suggested he was asking people to ignore racism. It's essentially the same argument people have been having for months but less heated and more civil than most of the recent stuff.

https://twitter.com/i_zzzzzz/status/734455447218999297

everyone says that twitter is bad, it's such a trash fire, oh the tweets are bad. but, it's really bad. i'm going rend my garments one more time for the death of google reader. the shift from the blog era to the twitter era has been bad. the discourse, it's worse.

looking forward to purging my feed of political and social-justice twitter during the campaign this summer. i think i just want to follow accounts that make me laugh.

not sure which is worse, one-note users who only rag on about politics and social justice issues, or people who are funny and cool 95% of the time and passionately jump on trash fires the other 5%

warre

http://pointofproduction.tumblr.com/post/144760924869/a-theory-of-pundit-war

is warre the name of the writer? or is that like "moffe on the skull of a man" for war

OF ALLE AGAINST ALLE

https://twitter.com/StuntBirdArmy/status/733846091347693568

did that guy just write an essay abt this tweet?

anyway weird twitter was kinda over when those dudes all started earnestly podcasting, which is the bacon of viral media, but i like how mean and shitty they are to ppl like arthur chu. but i liked how shitty ppl on ilx were to lames when i first started posting here maybe glib bullying of idiot herbs a lost legacy of old internet idk

i'm a v polite and private person so the mean shittiness to lame people never really sits right with me. struggling to articulate this but there's no meaning to 'silence' on twitter. there's no substitute for the cold shoulder or the polite 'uh ok thanks' kinds of social enforcement. so people flap their gums in careless or ardent ways until, idk, a clique of slightly more literate people flood him with zoomed-in pics of his avi for an afternoon. is there a non-mean way to shut someone up? esp if their whole deal is that they 'don't get it'?

during the more nerd-centric controversies i kind of liked arthur chu just because he kept on top of all that shit day in day out; now that we're in an electoral moment i'm not even sure his heart's in the right place tbh. really shallow pov.

but more broadly i'm like, why do i even have an opinion?

https://support.twitter.com/articles/20170134

and

Has ILX reached 'Peak Opinion'?

flag post and move on

or on twitter, add an increasing number of words to your block filters and say goodbye to bad content

hello tribalism

xxxp i think that's good, about silence. there are instances where people will 'go silent', e.g. when some shit goes down and 'everyone' expects them to say something for themselves and they don't post anything at all (c.f. SFJ's tweeter for the past couple weeks for a minor example), and there's some meaning to not replying or continuing to reply to being @ed, like the usual letting-drop of any conversational exchange in other settings. but it's not visible to others in the same way, as just sitting there out in the open, i guess—since everyone has to work to find it or they have to have exerted lots of choices to end up being people who follow the people involved in the exchange, it's kind of like a 'silence' can't be let to have its meaning—to make it meaningful you have to make it meaningful, which of course ruins it.

idk, the people you follow, even if diverse in opinions and politics make up an ad hoc "tribe" and I'd be surprised if many people follow a of of moderate people outside of their views, let alone virulent ones (outside of the hate-following that's mainly used to dogpile on every post someone makes)

my filtering is more of the "hi, you're someone I respect and/or like but you tweet about your dog Cletus every day and I don't need to hear about Cletus every day to know he's still a good dog"

tbf Cletus probably appreciates it, though

that's not the way tribe works

if cletus only likes the smell of poodle ass he will only follow poodle ass smells

bull dogs rejected eg

if only

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjK9rdgXAAEmUgB.jpg

All I want to do is see a list of twitter users who are followed by the people that I already follow, ideally ranked descending by the number of people who I already follow who follow that person. Am I crazy or is this really not possible!?

The "suggestions" page shows some of them, although it is also liberally sprinkled with twitter users who are not followed by any of the other people that I follow. However, I am constantly finding users who are followed by MANY of the people who I also follow, and yet do not appear on my suggestions list (and believe me, I scrolled way, way down until it started showing me eg. Kim Kardashian and Jimmy Fallon). What gives? Is there some third party site where I can find this?

have you tried using something like antipersona?

http://antipersona.co/

http://twiangulate.com/search/

I use this a lot, I think it at least does part of what you are asking.

https://twitter.com/lukeoneil47/status/735183067783016448

the guys who were too much

lol

Lamp otm but I have to confess... I have listened to multiple episodes of chapo trap house :'(

in terms of the tribalism thing... i know Twitter can totally amplify the echo chamber effect but I follow a pretty wide variety politically and I actually feel it gives me the opposite; I'm much less confident in my ideological priors than I used to be... I don't really follow many *actual* conservatives, maybe like Pethokoukis or Charles Murray are the worst but definitely exposed to a lot more libertarian and centrist ideas than before. when I first started out on Twitter it was all leftists and sjw and it drove me crazy, such a fn downer. a lot of my favourite content on Twitter is between ideological opponents, which was one of the reasons I really liked Matt Bruenig. a lot of the contemporary left like to show off a distaste for wonkish liberalism but are too dumb or too bored by details of policy to coherently argue against it specifically or meaningfully and just blather on the old tired relativistic routine about ideology you hear in college. it was nice to see someone crunch the numbers and argue with a self-described neoliberal like Adam ozimek about welfare, taxes and all that stuff. I definitely learned a lot both ways

"liked"

He didn't die, he lost a part-time job.

yep, hopefully he'll start blogging somewhere again soon

a lot of my favourite content on Twitter is between ideological opponents, which was one of the reasons I really liked Matt Bruenig.

yeah people are acting like he flamed jonathan chait daily when his real thing was driving minor cato/reason/manhattan inst people around the bend

yep. this own of Pethokoukis (AEI) is legendary http://www.demos.org/blog/2/17/15/rotating-beliefs-jim-pethokoukis

flopson, you are in the minority, and:

the first tweets at the top of your timeline won’t necessarily be the latest ones. They’ll be the tweets the service’s algorithm determines most relevant to you, based on a variety of factors. Rather than show you the tweets from 10 seconds before you opened the app, it will now attempt to catch you up on the most important #content since you left.

http://www.wired.com/2016/02/what-you-need-to-know-about-twitters-algorithmnic-timeline/

i pay for tweetbot because it doesn't have these features

plus it syncs timeline, notifications etc across devices (still kind of awed that twitter doesn't do this. it treats its own content like it's a POP3 mail service from 1994)

I'm an avid tweetbot user, but find myself needing to open the official twitter app more and more, to my dismay, because it's terrible. But tweetbot still hasn't implemented viewing more than one photo in a tweet, doesn't play gifs or vines properly, doesn't support Twitter polls, and is clunky when you want to quote rt someone. They need to step up their game.

In other news, twitters decision to show @replies in all TL's of one's followers and allow up to 50 (!) @'s in one tweet is a terrible, terrible idea.

you guys you can turn the whole showing the most important recent content shit off in Twitter.app's settings

But tweetbot still hasn't implemented viewing more than one photo in a tweet
It has, it's just bloody difficult to use. You have to swipe through the images when you're looking at them, and there's no indication you can do this.

allow up to 50 (!) @'s in one tweet is a terrible, terrible idea.
There's a super-important bit here which they haven't explained, which is you can't just type in 50 @names, because manually-typed @s count against your 140 limit. The free ones are those Twitter adds when you hit "reply". So it's going to pretty hard (though not impossible natch) to get together a posse of arseholes to attack someone via this route.