Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

katee sackhoff would be great but i think the ugly truth is that she'll be pushing 40 by the time the captain marvel solo movie comes out and it's super-unlikely a studio would cast a woman her age in a leading role that could last another decade

it'll end up being someone mid-20s to early-30s because hollywood is horrible

not that I disagree with you in general, but has Katee Sackoff done anything BSG? Seems like fanboy fantasy casting

A cops-in-Wyoming series called Longmire, on A&E and then Netflix. My wife's a big fan.

I'd actually love a 40-ish Captain Marvel — an Air Force colonel in her late 20s/early 30s seems a little Doogie Howserish.

Not just a little. I think the youngest colonel in recent history is a battlefield commission at 33 or so. And the USAF doesn't really do battlefield commissions.

yeah i thought brie might be too young but then remembered o right hollywood. sackhoff is on longmire which the two episodes i saw looked decent and she had a bout w/ cancer.

this looks potentially cool (+ Noah Hawley)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SZ3rMMYBLY

yeah, decent pedigree for sure - wonder if fox / marvel will branch out into more x-men-related stuff if this is a success? we could finally get that artie and leech show we've all been clamouring for for so long

also, brie larson cast as captain marvel!

oh, they're already branching out. Singer is exec-producing an unspecified X-Men show and there's one about The Hellfire Club in development also

My gut instinct for no reason beyond cynicism is to complain about the onslaught, but I still think this is a logical extension of comics themselves. Serialized, titles that go in and out of fashion, changing artists, changing "casts," crossovers, different visions for different titles, even big ups and downs in terms of quality, narratives, storylines, etc. At any given time there are how many Marvel comics titles on the shelves? Plenty. Makes perfect sense that the number of movies and TV shows should reflect it. I think it's kind of cool. And even if I haven't followed comics in years, I'd much rather this Marvel onslaught, in a way as much an extension/expansion of stories and titles as what goes on with the long running comics themselves, than lame reboots of blockbusters.

when are we getting an X-Statix show is what I want to know

That Legion show look INCREDIBLE

Yeah i am sold too

Hellfire Club show was nixed before it ever started development iirc.

Hard to get a sense of what that Legion show will be like from the preview but Hawley is a good move. I just finished reading Spurrier's X-Men Legacy run and was hoping they'd take a cue from that because it's really good but it looks pretty dissimilar.

(Neither of these things are MCU.)</nitpick>

Haven't seen Brie Larson in anything to my knowledge but I approve of this employment of post-Oscar cred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5PYZR30sG4

lol

He's definitely Nick Furry to me from here on out.

i'd def be down for a movie about butthurt, bored thor in the style of what we do in the shadows

some new Marvel ABC show is buying a bunch of casework + fume hoods from my company for one of their sets. stay tuned :p

Breaking Batroc?

black-ish panther

The first reviews of Doctor Strange are quite good, but several of them seem to be along the line of 'THIS ones really good, while all the other Marvel films are shite'. But I feel like I saw the same sentiment around films like Civil War and Guardians of the Galaxy, and probably others. It's like the whole series is in this weird place, where people like the new ones well enough when they see them, but looked back upon, or considered as a whole, the series has become unmanageable and tiring. #hottake.

Benedict Cumberbatch IS Doctor Strange.

Actually that was dumb of me, sorry about that.

I think that Doctor Strange and Guardians of the Galaxy _are_ sufficiently non-superheroic for that sentence to make sense without endangering the MCU - notably GotG hasn't been tied into either of the Avengers films since. I haven't seen anyone say that about Civil War - citation?

I think the MCU is replicating the effect of the published universe precisely — that feeling of thrillpower in the moment and then wondering what all the hoopla was about later. It's profitable as hell, as predictable and comforting and healthy as a plate of hot french fries.

notably GotG hasn't been tied into either of the Avengers films since.

GotG explains what the Infinity Stones are and properly introduces Thanos as a major villain, both of which plot threads are followed in Age of Ultron. That's a pretty major tie-in! I mean, Thanos' whole role in GotG is totally superficial, unless you know he's being set up as the Big Bad of Avengers 3, and the whole franchise. If it was just a stand-alone movie, there's no reason for Thanos to be in it at all.

The Infinity Stones and Thanos are also pretty incidental to Age of Ultron!

The Mind Gem has heavy plot significance for both Avengers films

A Thing that does Stuff has heavy plot significance, that it's the Mind Stone is irrelevant.

I didn't say those plot elements were super significant in AoU, I was just commenting on the claim that GotG "hasn't been tied" into the the Avengers films at all. GotG includes a whole extraneous character because of that tie-in. If it was truly a stand-alone movie, the Power Stone would be just a random super artifact with no exposition about there being six of them, Thanos wouldn't be in it at all (he has no plot significance except as a way of tying GotG to the rest of the franchise), and Gamorra and Nebula would've probably been written as Ronan's (foster) daughters.

Watched Civil war last night - was satisfyingly like reading an old-school 12-issue limited series in one sitting.

xp that's more GotG's problem though - their presence, such as it is, in AoU is the bonus material. If you'd never seen Guardians and then you watched Ultron, you'd have no idea you missed anything - which you can't say about any of the superhero movies.

I feel like all of the movies worked relatively well as self-contained entities until Civil War. And that could probably be enjoyed on its own terms even if you didn't understand all of the relationships.

wondering if that green medallion dr stange is wearing in all the promo materials is/contains an infinity gem

Surely that's the Eye of Agamotto? Though I guess they could change it from the comics so that it's also and Infinity Gem, like they did with the Cosmic Cube in the Cap movie.

my dr strange background knowledge is super weak, but I just noticed that theres no green or orange infinity gem yet.

Well the two Gems we still haven't seen are the Time and Soul Gem. Time Gem wouldn't really jibe with the Eye of Agamotto, but since it doesn't seem that likely Adam Warlock (the owner of the Soul Gem in the comics) will appear in the movies, I guess the Eye could contain the Soul Gem? IIRC, one of the Eye's powers in the comics is that it cuts through illusions and reveals your true self, which would fit that particular Gem.

Never fear Tuomas, the infinity gem question is answered in extremely unsubtle fashion in the film

Inhumans show coming next fall on ABC. Which is a more elegant solution than a movie at this point, I guess, given the fact that the Inhumans have been heavily featured throughout AoS's run.

(Presumably this will feature the royal family et al but who knows, really.)

ABC is growing its comic book empire with Marvel’s The Inhumans, a live-action drama slated to air on the network next fall.

The new, eight-episode series will explore the never-before-told epic adventure of Black Bolt and the royal family.

AoS circling the drain and heading for cancellation.

which is a shame, cuz it's quietly grown into a pretty fun show

I don't know, Ghost Rider feels like it's stuck in the wrong show - should have been part of the Netflix stable.

i was skeptical about ghost rider but i think his introduction has taken the show in an interesting new direction

also his car is cool as fuck (and i'm not a car guy at all)

it's still weird to me tho that coulson, who was such a charismatic supporting character in the movies, has turned out to be the flattest, most boring chararacter on the show.

Yeah, that's the weirdest bit - the show was essentially created to be the Phil Coulson Fun Times Spin Off Hour and Clark Gregg has basically been written out of his own show.

The programme was best when tied into the Cinematic Universe; it was limping along until the massive Winter Soldier tie in, and the way the reveal panned out on the TV show at the smae time the movie was in theatres was inspired. Then, when Inhumans was still a slated picture and Marvel were pushing them hard to avoid X-Men rights it threw its weight behind developing that concept so the movie audience would be ready for it. But now that's gone, it feels like a promo show rather than its own entity.

Ghost Rider was a great idea, has been brilliantly realised, and works perfectly for this plotline. But is the Darkhold really a SHIELD plotline? It'd be much better served in the Netflix universe.

It also suffers badly from power escalation.

If you establish that Fitz and Simmons are such brilliant scientists that they can build/solve any threat with SCIENCE then where's the threat? (Hence bottle episodes like the Watchdogs using EMP.)

If people routinely die and come back to life - Coulson through Tahiti, Mei, Simmons (by default on alien planet), feel like it's happened to Mac, Hunter etc - then what are LMDs even for?

There's more but I feel like it's being picky.

can't really argue with any of that - it's definitely flawed but i'm still getting something out of it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i think the main problem with coulson is clark gregg, honestly - while he was great in short doses in the movies he doesn't seem to be able to inject much depth into the character, despite having a fair number of scenes where he had the opportunity to do so

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying it more than e.g. Arrow but I won't really miss it when it's gone.

I also don't care about Daisy at all.