start a victory garden and ration your IRRATIONALLY ANGRY feelings, part 3

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neighbours have lived in the next door flat for two weeks. and twice my door buzzer has buzzed after 9:30pm because they've ordered food and not given the delivery guy the exact flat number.

koogs, Monday, 6 June 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link

I don't know when "So, ______" became an acceptable opening syllable in response to a question, but that's when life on earth should have been exterminated.

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:13 (seven years ago) link

I find it very useful. When I start a sentence with "So listen..." people who know me know I am about to deliver bad news.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:34 (seven years ago) link

Those little messages on reposted youtube videos that are like "I do not own the rights to this video, just a fan!" Oh cool, so did you ask the person who made the video/music if it was ok? And are you paying them any ad money you earn?

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:37 (seven years ago) link

Hey, the copyright owner is welcome to contact him and ask for it to be taken down.

pplains, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link

I have been told that Japanese has a concept called 'pillow words', which are not meant to convey information, but exist only to fill out an utterance with some extra sound. In English these might correspond to such non-words as 'um' or 'uh', but also to the sorts of pointless preambles we attach to sentences, such as 'so'.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:54 (seven years ago) link

if we stop having the right to use words like "so" at the start of sentences we may as well just communicate in 1s and 0s. rhythm is part of speech.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 21:57 (seven years ago) link

I've found starting with "So" awakens the listener to hear the meat of the question/statement. It's like jiggling the mouse on a PC that has gone into sleep mode.

nickn, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 22:05 (seven years ago) link

Well.

pplains, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 22:06 (seven years ago) link

exactly - or gives you a moment to think and compose what you're about to say. "right" or "so" or "okay" or whatever, just functional basic ways of creating space in a conversation.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 22:07 (seven years ago) link

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japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 22:07 (seven years ago) link

I have been told that Japanese has a concept called 'pillow words', which are not meant to convey information, but exist only to fill out an utterance with some extra sound. In English these might correspond to such non-words as 'um' or 'uh', but also to the sorts of pointless preambles we attach to sentences, such as 'so'.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, June 7, 2016 10:54 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ええええ!

あの。。。

come to mind

F♯ A♯ (∞), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 22:15 (seven years ago) link

I understand the function the function of "so" and other introductory words. I think they're used more often than they're needed, and that as placeholder syllables go, I'd rather hear "Well, ___" or even "umm."

Interviewer: What was the Sanders campaign's response?
Reporter: So, they were not pleased etc etc blah blah...
Interviewer: What's next for Sanders after tonight?
Reporter: So, he'll spend tomorrow in Vermont blerf blah...
Interviewer: Does Hilary Clinton have campaign events scheduled tomorrow?
Reporter: So, it turns out she will be in blah blah blah

It's become unconscious, ubiquitous and fuck you fuck you FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU I HATE IT SO MUCH.

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 23:11 (seven years ago) link

LocalGarda and nickn, I think 'so' has come to be used very differently here in N America than back home in the UK. Maybe it happened just recently (is that right do you reckon, WilliamC?) Like an attempt to elevate everything that comes after it to a a level of insight it can't deliver on. La Lechera to thread.

ljubljana, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 00:23 (seven years ago) link

over my last 48 hours on ilx i have been clicking the older threads i post on (not searching for old ones; i'm not a maniac) and ctrl+f my name and i found that i complained about two subjects twice on this and i have experienced no personal growth since the start of this thread

assawoman bay (harbl), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 00:37 (seven years ago) link

my neighborhood has two festivals a year. one really really sucks and one is ok. but i think it's really rude for people to come and park on my street for them especially when they invent their own parking spots like by fire hydrants. take one bus.

― computer champion (harbl), Saturday, September 19, 2015 7:59 PM

this is coming up again--the bad one is this weekend. last time the friday before i had a little bit of a meltdown thinking of all the out of neighborhood parkers coming to be jerks. i think i might have cried. but a lot was going on.

assawoman bay (harbl), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 00:40 (seven years ago) link

I don't know when "So, ______" became an acceptable opening syllable in response to a question, but that's when life on earth should have been exterminated.

― pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Tuesday, June 7, 2016 5:13 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

applause

normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 01:00 (seven years ago) link

When I use "So" it's as an attention-getter, as noted earlier, and when I'm responding to a statement and am asking if I understand correctly - "So the white form is filed before the red form?" I try not to stick it in anywhere else.

nickn, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 01:06 (seven years ago) link

As an opening "ahem" in a declarative statement, it's totally different and totally cool. My specific beef is with it as the first syllable in response to a question — ljubljana, I agree that it's generally come on within the last couple of years, but now it seems to be the most common thing. I don't know for sure but it seems to come out of people who are relatively young, so this is probably just grumpy old me yelling at the kids to get off my lawn. Fuck it — those goddamn kids need to get off my lawn.

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 02:05 (seven years ago) link

Seamus Heaney's 'Beowulf' opens with 'So'.

So. The Spear-Danes in days gone by
and the kings who ruled them had courage and greatness.
We have heard of those princes’ heroic campaigns.

i love cheever. the yates story that prompted me to buy the book was called "no pain whatsoever" - a welsh writer called thomas morris recommended it in a newsletter he does.

i really really liked the amy hempel collection i mentioned upthread, reasons to live. it's v much in this vein also, though it has the brevity/edge of carver.

i came to it via her paris review interview, which i loved: http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/227/the-art-of-fiction-no-176-amy-hempel🔗

I have been told that Japanese has a concept called 'pillow words', which are not meant to convey information, but exist only to fill out an utterance with some extra sound. In English these might correspond to such non-words as 'um' or 'uh', but also to the sorts of pointless preambles we attach to sentences, such as 'so'.

B

Tim, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 05:50 (seven years ago) link

Posted in error, not in irrational anger. Sorry.

Tim, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 05:52 (seven years ago) link

An impromptu Traveller parkup that is troubling the neighborhood. Actually probably deeply rational.
Vehicles are frequently driving at speed down what should be a primarily pedestrian path. People in the park are being bothered, even more so if they try to access the local woods the normal way since the place that vans and caravans are parked is right across the path in.
Toys and balls have been stolen from local gardens. The community garden that is next to where the park up is has had some features vandalised.
&there is refuse and human excrement being just dumped in random places. Plus there are rubbish fires at night set up to allow copper to be burnt out of various objects for resale so the air stinks.
Apparently it's a bunch of families 'summering' i.e. Off for a seasonal peregrination &fuck the settled locals.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 07:25 (seven years ago) link

When fb friends invite you to "like" their page for their band or product or whatever.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link

i have a bunch of friends who somehow all ended up having their souls harvested by working for the same social media marketing company in dublin - i suppose it's a fairly sophisticated operation, though i think the company strategy is to just hire fairly popular people who dj or do other artistic type careers as a kind of street team. i dunno if this means they're good at what they do but i genuinely can't tell any longer when these people are expressing an opinion because they've been paid to do so - i tend to lean towards assuming everything they say is bullshit.

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link

oops i forgot to strikethrough "having their souls harvested by"

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 17:27 (seven years ago) link

so, "so" as the first syllable...

i think i do this a lot. in my mind, it's a way of clearing space and preparing listener(s) for the explanation i'm about to deliver. for this reason, it's always followed by a little pause.

the world over the crotch. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link

same for me.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link

I use "fucken'..." in the same vein

the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link

in my mind, it's a way of clearing space and preparing listener(s) for the explanation i'm about to deliver.

I think it's the hand-holding that I object to. I'm fully engaged with what's being said, and don't want or need the space cleared or the listener prepared.

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 18:23 (seven years ago) link

PS, thread is for irrationally angry. I'm pointing my finger at myself if at anybody.

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 18:25 (seven years ago) link

tbf i kinda get the sense of the way you said it annoyed you, like shoe-horned in to signify thought rather than as a sort of exhaled word.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link

i've heard so used like that and people complain about it for over 10 years

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link

i know this because i used to say it a lot (>10yrs ago) and heard people complain and thought their explanation was rational, so i stopped doing it

i still do it subconsciously sometimes, which kind of annoys me, but it is what it is

i try to use it at the beginning only to mean "thus"

F♯ A♯ (∞), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link

lately i get ia at people who like to talk in meetings. the more you're shutting up, the sooner we're not here.

the world over the crotch. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link

AMEN.

What's Your Definition of a Dirty Baby? (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link

pretty sure it's been talked about before but i can't stand it when a waiter asks "have you been here before?" at a restaurant and explains why this place is so unique and special

marcos, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:27 (seven years ago) link

best answer - "yes, but I'm giving you another chance"

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:28 (seven years ago) link

Ha.

I get IA when every singer in every song ever tries to rhyme 'rain' or 'insane' or 'David Blaine' with 'again' except that they pronounce it 'uh-gin' so I GUESS MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY TO CONSTRUCT YOUR HALF-ASSED RHYME AGAIN, HUH?

What's Your Definition of a Dirty Baby? (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:28 (seven years ago) link

best answer - "yes, but I'm giving you another chance"

THANK YOU. So using this.

Jeff, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link

pretty sure it's been talked about before but i can't stand it when a waiter asks "have you been here before?" at a restaurant and explains why this place is so unique and special

Haha - I always instinctively say "yes" to shut them up and then get the fear that I'm missing out on some vital knowledge that will ruin my dinner. They often give you the spiel anyway: "Ah, so you'll already know that all our dishes are fried in organic badger cum."

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link

about half the time it means some freakishly annoying quirk.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 20:03 (seven years ago) link

"yes, but I'm giving you another chance"

"I'm so VERY sorry to hear that. Can you tell me what it was that went wrong for you the last time?"

"uh"

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 20:10 (seven years ago) link

"Servers ask too many stupid questions"

Jeff, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 20:21 (seven years ago) link

lately i get ia at people who like to talk in meetings. the more you're shutting up, the sooner we're not here.

I rarely pray but when I do it's a silent prayer that there are not 'any questions...?'

kinder, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link

"Can you tell me what it was that went wrong for you the last time?"

"The after-dinner mint made me explode."

pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Wednesday, 8 June 2016 20:46 (seven years ago) link

Interviewer: What was the Sanders campaign's response?
Reporter: So, they were not pleased etc etc blah blah...
Interviewer: What's next for Sanders after tonight?
Reporter: So, he'll spend tomorrow in Vermont blerf blah...
Interviewer: Does Hilary Clinton have campaign events scheduled tomorrow?
Reporter: So, it turns out she will be in blah blah blah

It's become unconscious, ubiquitous and fuck you fuck you FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU I HATE IT SO MUCH.

― pleas to Nietzsche (WilliamC), Tuesday, June 7, 2016 6:11 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Seems like even the Daily Show correspondents use this in their reports... and it comes across just as annoying.

pplains, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link

I feel like that's been an NPR tic for a long time, esp on the non-news shows like This American Life, Radiolab etc.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 9 June 2016 03:07 (seven years ago) link

Dutch influence?

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 June 2016 05:28 (seven years ago) link


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