Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

nothing amazing/revelatory on either of these new things, but both are fun listens nonetheless. dylan straining for the high notes on "under the boardwalk" is hilarious.
couple of things on after the empire that could've been developed into good tunes, but I get the feeling it's all pretty much off the cuff/on the spot. definitely seems to be enjoying himself...

Got the two volume Cutting Edge v cheap recently, the revelation for me has been that first take of Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window, definitely prefer it to the Band version - Dylan's singing seems much more passionate, for one thing. Lyrics an example of that old Dylan prescience - lines like "With his businesslike anger and his bloodhounds that kneel" and "While his genocide fools and his friends rearrange/ The religion of little tin women/That backs up their views but your face is so bruised/Come on out the dark is beginning" seems to anticipate Trump (I guess it's partly a song about tyrants)

yow

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/bob-dylan-plots-massive-36-disc-set-of-1966-live-recordings-w442099

haha, pretty crazy ... i do want to hear it all though. at least once. that Paris show should be interesting!

Haha... never change those EU copyright laws

seems that they're putting the "real" royal albert hall gig out as a 2CD set too ...
i do miss the curatorial aspect of the bootleg series, but i also am not going to complain about getting the whole damn thing.

Ha — I just posted that to the "shit that looks like an Onion article" thread.

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form the rolling stone article -- this is wrong:
The title of this release corrects a previously released official bootleg from 1998 that identified a Manchester show – the infamous "Judas" performance – as having taken place at Royal Albert Hall
obviously confusing since they called it "the royal albert hall show" in quotes, but they knew the show took place in manchester.

Not optimistic about the pricing on this. If the 18-disc thing went for $600 (granted, with 45s, a piece of film, and a bag of gravel from the road he crashed his motorcycle on), this'll probably be...$1000? Ugh.

I thank in advance whoever is gonna boil this down to 4 CDs of the most killer shit

they're saying it'll retail for around $150 -- think the packaging is going to be more bare bones, less bells n whistles (which is fine by me)

Yeah, that sounds fairly reasonable. I would've thought this was the opportunity to release Eat the Document, but apparently not.

yeah, would be great if they stitched together the performance footage into a cohesive concert film! probably will happen sometime?

Remember thinking Eat the Document was kind of bad when I saw it decades ago on PBS, but still would be interesting to see again.

"While doing the archival research for The Cutting Edge 1965-1966: The Bootleg Series Vol. 12, last year's box set of Dylan's mid-Sixties studio sessions, we were continually struck by how great his 1966 live recordings really are," Adam Block, president of Legacy Recordings, said in a statement.

He pretend continued. "I mean, you'd think if this stuff was really so good, someone would have told me. Who did you say his backing band was again?"

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I thank in advance whoever is gonna boil this down to 4 CDs of the most killer shit

― I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon)

This ^^^
Although I don't even know if I'd even buy a 4-disc distilled version of this. Feel I've got enough mid-60s Dylan.

I'm still waiting on hearing the last box set, I don't have the money to pay for that shit :(

Likewise I still need to hear the last box set. I am really in an old-man phase of waiting to buy this stuff (because if I stream or whatever I'll listen once and never really grapple with it), but knowing at the same time I'll probably never buy it cos my money needs to go on more boring things.

hold on now! After tylerw's article linked upthread, he got some static: supercollector was extremely skeptical about the existence of a Jim Dickinson-produced Time Out Of Mind, b-but in that previously linked Stone piece from early March: Chaiken has only begun to dip into the hundreds of hours of raw Dylan recording sessions, but he's already come across a completely different version of 1997's Time Out of Mind produced by pianist Jim Dickinson, so there!

woah....that would be intriguing, time out of mind has such a lanois sound to it, it would seem like a completely different album

At least they agree on worthiness (also existence) of John Wesley Harding outtakes.

it's circular dow -- I got my info from that RS article, after which the supercollector got in touch with me, said it doesn't exist. chaiken then told me that RS got things mixed up -- there are different mixes, unreleased songs and jam sessions that Jim was a part of, but the production duties were all handled by Daniel Lanois.

Close enough!

That's what I usually look to prev. unreleased Dylan legit & boots for: more songs, not more versions.

But I'll take different mixes, esp. by J.D., and jams too.

"Likewise I still need to hear the last box set. I am really in an old-man phase of waiting to buy this stuff (because if I stream or whatever I'll listen once and never really grapple with it)"

i don't feel like copyright-extension archival mega-sets are something i need to "grapple with". like, i listened to that complete basement tapes or whatever once, and they don't contain a lot of hidden depths not previously manifested in his released work.

that's true, but if you feel like listening to basement tapes for 6+ hours straight it comes in handy

I got a 'copy' of that complete cutting edge thing, the final disc was the only one that was a drag, the 'live bits and bobs' one, apart from the first chunk of Joan Baez tracks..

for those that need the full 36, Bull Moose has it for $108.97 shipped in the US. for me, the calculus has to be cost per disc I'll actually ever get around to listening to (though at that price...).

nice.

Haha... never change those EU copyright laws

Wait, this is unrelated, isn't it? I thought the EU copyright thing only affected unreleased music from 1963 or earlier, and that everything after benefits from the change in law that extended copyright from 50 to 70 years. That's why we haven't gotten any more Beatles or Beach Boys archive stuff from 1964 or beyond, isn't it?

well, dylan did one last year -- not sure what the deal is with the beatles/beach boys. i don't understand that stuff at all.

There was a change in the EU copyright laws (2014? )from expiring 50 years after release to 70 years after release. But there was a loophole (right?) that excluded any unreleased material, which meant anything 50 years old or older in 2014 - that is, 1964 and earlier - so the Beatles, Beach Boys and Dylan rushed out those copyright extension packages. Beatles did "The Beatles Bootleg Recordings 1963," Beach Boys did "Keep An Eye on Summer: The Beach Boys Sessions 1964" and "The Big Beat 1963," Dylan did "The 50th Anniversary Collection 1963" and "The 50th Anniversary Collection 1964." But ... that's been it, right? Was there a '65 Copyright Extension set? What did Dylan do last year? You mean "The Cutting Edge?" Not sure that was under the Copyright Extension umbrella (not that it matters), because that stuff was covered by the new laws.

Someone out there can clear this up, right? I thought he big three (BB, Dylan and Beatles) are all caught up in terms of copyright, until they go into public (EU) domain beginning in 20 years or so.

there was a 65 copyright extension set in addition to the cutting edge (it was made available as a download to people who bought the deluxe cutting edge)
http://www.searchingforagem.com/2010s/2015_50thAnniv.htm

Becoming The Beach Boys, going back to the beginning in '61 (continuing into '63), came out recently, so guess the copyright coast is clear: http://omnivorerecordings.com/music/becoming-the-beach-boys-the-complete-hite-dorinda-morgan-sessions/

Why has there been no Beatles 64 or 65 stuff then?

ringo said he would personally murder anyone who put that stuff out w/o his permission

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/sep/15/copyright-extension-cliffs-law-beatles

Don't know how that works in America, or what happens after Brexit

Xpost no idle threat since as we know from the morricone song, "whenever ringo laughed, ringo fired".

for those that need the full 36, Bull Moose has it for $108.97 shipped in the US. for me, the calculus has to be cost per disc I'll actually ever get around to listening to (though at that price...).

― by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:56 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe i haven't been paying attention to box set pricing lately but this seems like kind of a big deal? much cooler than spending 100 bucks on 3 discs + assorted ephemera, imo. i dunno, maybe i'm nuts but i'd totally listen to all of these. just might take me a while.

c.f. the 27-disc pink floyd "early years" box which is at least 500 bucks

yeah this is a comparatively bare bones set, with no extraneous items. which is great imo -- one of the ridiculous selling points of the $600 Cutting Edge deluxe set last year was a leopard skin spindle.

aaw come OOON now

I get that the copyright was extended from 50 to 70 years. So why was that Beatles/Dylan/Beach Boys stuff released, then? 70 years past 1963 is 2033. 50 years was 2013 (before the law changed). So why release 1965 Dylan stuff in 2015 if the law had been successfully changed to push its public domain move all the way to 2035? Isn't 1965, for any act, now covered under the extended copyright?

i honestly have no idea

i dunno, maybe i'm nuts but i'd totally listen to all of these. just might take me a while.

― brimstead, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 22:38 (fifty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I suppose you're right. But I dunno, I'm also happy to have one definitive live '66 version of "Ballad of a thin man" to listen to when the itch appears