Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

On this board

everywhere we look.

it seems like the natural conclusion here is that he said those things bc they were a part of all the other weird stuff going on in his head

100% otm!

Mordy OTM. you can't separate the two. he was obviously a self-hating gay man, but he fucking pledged allegiance to ISIS in the 911 call. Having a fun time imagining what it must've been like in Syria when they first heard about this, and when it came out that the dude was gay. Oops?

Maybe you can't separate the two but you can put all that together in a pot with uncontrollable rage and a premeditated mass murdering / ethnic cleansing impulse and call it a pathological condition that really has very fucking little to do with actual political or religious affiliations or sexual orientation.

How many spree shootings is that not true of regardless of stated reason

but like isis are pathological mass murdering / ethnic cleansers too - it's not like they have a platonic theological paradigm that the shooter didn't live upto - from what i can tell his actions, however ultimately they are motivated by %, fall right in line w/ their general malevolence

The part I'm arguing with is that line of reasoning is unhelpful in diagnosing the actual problem and emphasizes frankly superficial shit that plays right into the hands of assholes

His pro-ISIS declarations feel similar to the deathbed conversion of somebody making a last-ditch effort to get into heaven.

Don't you guys read the news? ISIS-nut or no, apparently a fellow attendee at his mosque was suspicious enough to report him to the FBI, so there was clearly more going on than just self-loathing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/20/i-reported-omar-mateen-to-the-fbi-trump-is-wrong-that-muslims-dont-do-our-part/

Then, during the summer of 2014, something traumatic happened for our community. A boy from our local mosque, Moner Mohammad Abu-Salha, was 22 when he became the first American-born suicide bomber, driving a truck full of explosives into a government office in Syria. He’d traveled there and joined a group affiliated with al-Qaeda, the previous year. We had all known Moner; he was jovial and easygoing, the opposite of Omar. According to a posthumous video released that summer, he had clearly self-radicalized – and had also done so by listening to the lectures of Anwar al-Awlaki, the charismatic Yemen-based imam who helped radicalize several Muslims, including the Fort Hood shooter. Everyone in the area was shocked and upset. We hate violence and were horrified that one of our number could have killed so many. (After an earlier training mission to Syria, he’d tried to recruit a few Florida friends to the cause. They told the FBI about him.)

Immediately after Moner’s attack, news reports said that American officials didn’t know anything about him; I read that they were looking for people to give them some background. So I called the FBI and offered to tell investigators a bit about the young man. It wasn’t much – we hadn’t been close – but I’m an American Muslim, and I wanted to do my part. I didn’t want another act like that to happen. I didn’t want more innocent people to die. Agents asked me if there were any other local kids who might resort to violence in the name of Islam. No names sprang to mind.

After my talk with the FBI, I spoke to people in the Islamic community, including Omar, about Moner’s attack. I wondered how he could have radicalized. Both Omar and I attended the same mosque as Moner, and the imam never taught hate or radicalism. That’s when Omar told me he had been watching videos of Awlaki, too, which immediately raised red flags for me. He told me the videos were very powerful.

After speaking with Omar, I contacted the FBI again to let them know that Omar had been watching Awlaki’s tapes. He hadn’t committed any acts of violence and wasn’t planning any, as far as I knew. And I thought he probably wouldn’t, because he didn’t fit the profile: He already had a second wife and a son. But it was something agents should keep their eyes on. I never heard from them about Omar again, but apparently they did their job: They looked into him and, finding nothing to go on, they closed the file.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/23/armed-man-opens-fire-at-german-cinema-kinopolis-viernheim

The man is reported to have fired into the air with an alarm gun as he entered the cinema.

What's an alarm gun? Why would he do this?

Various German media are reporting that about 25 people have been injured, with Bild newspaper claiming the injuries are due to the use of CS gas.

So possibly the only person shot was ... the gunman? And his only reported shot was into the air?

starter pistol maybe?

I am seeing reports that the injured are due to tear gas?

So he "opened fire" with a starter pistol, into the air, and then was shot by the police, who maybe injured 25 people there with CS gas? I really want to get to the bottom of this, because the link "armed-man-opens-fire-at-german-cinema-kinopolis-viernheim" couldn't be more at odds with what we know, or any more alarmist, based on what was reported. As scary as that situation might have been.

Man, this shows how messed up the US really is. A masked gunman terrorizes a German theater with a fake gun and ends up the only one dead. That British guy who overstayed his visa to plan a Trump assassination for 6 months ends up arrested because his "plan" turned out to be grabbing the security guard's gun at a Trump rally, in the only country in the world where a mentally non-citizen who has overstayed his visa could probably walk into store and buy a machine gun. I wish these were our usual headlines.

Ha, "mentally non-citizen." That's how I feel, sometimes. "Mentally-ill non-citizen," I meant.

you can put all that together in a pot with uncontrollable rage and a premeditated mass murdering / ethnic cleansing impulse and call it a pathological condition that really has very fucking little to do with actual political or religious affiliations or sexual orientation.

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:43 PM (Yesterday)

the orando shooter was a lone nutcase, but his madness clearly intersected with global trends in murderous lunacy. attempts to divorce incidents like this from radical islamic fundamentalism strike me as misguided. opposition to right wing paranoia and bigotry shouldn't lead us to deny obvious realities, and many of these incidents do arise from within a specific and specifically religious subculture. just as other acts of terror stem from similarly toxic christian fundamentalism, american racism, etc.

He found confirmation and reinforcement of his prejudices within a violent and radical ideology.

Not spree but there was a shooting where a ten year old boy was killed at Hotel Caribe in San Juan last night. I'm at that hotel. It happened a little over an hour after I left the pool area.

I came downstairs last night to see an ambulance being loaded and police tape everywhere

fort myers

15 dead in Japanese stabbing attack.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32528286/15-dead-dozens-injured-in-japan-mass-stabbing?sf31730560=1

austin, TX. one dead.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/active-shooter-leaves-multiple-victims-austin-texas-police/story?id=41025191&cid=abcn_fb

Gunman who wounded 9 was wearing Nazi paraphernalia, sources say

http://www.click2houston.com/news/large-police-presence-reported-in-southwest-houston

KPRC2 has confirmed the owner of that vehicle is 46-year-old attorney Nathan Desai.

Ken McDaniel, Desai's former law partner, said that they decided to go their separate ways in February because of economic reason. He said he hasn't spoken to Desai since then.

Desai's father, Prakash, who said his son ws in his own practice, but it was not doing well.

so cool that we've normalized the Nazis in our culture

we've gotten to the point of wondering which particular spree shooting was the reason for the thread bump

Yeah, I thought this was going to be about the Washington state thing.

motherfucker

(CNN)At least two children were shot Wednesday at an elementary school in Townville, South Carolina, Anderson County EMS Director Scott Stoller told CNN.

"Right now we are still developing information. We are still treating patients. One of the children was life-flighted to Greenville Trauma Center, Stoller said.
The shooter is in custody, according to Sheila Cole, spokeswoman for the Anderson County Sheriff's Office.

goddamn it.

Shit, this really hits home. My dad works in the Anderson County school system.

fffffff

the shooter is a teenager, who knows what the motive is, who knows what his intent was.

Father of the shooter found dead.

The three victims at the school were struck by bullets from a handgun, Capt. Garland Major of the Anderson County Sheriff's Office said. One male student was hit in a leg and another boy was struck in a foot. The female teacher was wounded in a shoulder, Major said.

This sounds promising but please please please let these children and their teacher survive.

update:

Both children shot were little boys; one, who was shot in the foot, has been discharged from the hospital already. The other boy was hit in the leg and his current condition is unknown. The teacher was shot in the shoulder and has also been released.

good

CHARLESTON, S.C. (Reuters) - A 14-year-old boy shot and killed his father then drove to an elementary school in South Carolina and opened fire with a handgun, wounding two children and a teacher on Wednesday, authorities said.

Volunteer firefighter Jamie Brock held the suspect down on a playground behind Townville Elementary School in Anderson County until police arrived, giving a teacher time to get students inside the building, authorities said. The teenager never entered the school, located near the Georgia state line about 100 miles (160 km) northeast of Atlanta.

"He risked his life to mitigate this incident," Anderson County emergency services director Taylor Jones said of Brock. "He used enough force to take him to the ground."

U.S. schools have taken added security precautions since 2012 when a gunman shot dead 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

Wednesday's shooting left a 6-year-old boy in critical condition and undergoing surgery, Scott Stoller, Anderson County's director of emergency services, told the Anderson Independent Mail.

The other boy and a female teacher were in good condition, said Juana Slade, spokeswoman for AnMed Health Medical Center. Both boys were 6 years old, the Independent Mail reported.

The teenager shot his 47-year-old father, Jeffrey DeWitt Osborne, in the chest then drove a pickup truck about 2 miles (3.2 km) to the school where he crashed the vehicle into the fence surrounding the playground, authorities said. The teenager was not named.

Thank goodness.

sad the other one is in critical condition

My comment was an xpost to sleeve btw

fuckin thank god for that firefighter

Active shooter reported at Ohio State

turned out to be an active stabber/driver. fortunately the suspect the only one killed (known of at this time, at least)

and is somali. I look forward to a sober and thoughtful response from america.

ah christ

9 shot, 3 dead in Ft. Lauderdale
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4095720/Nine-shot-one-dead-shooting-Ft-Lauderdale-Hollywood-Airport.html

reports of more gun fire just now

multiple shooters, multiple locations being reported but not confirmed

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article124963889.html

Ari Fleischer
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I'm at the Ft. Lauderdale Airport. Shots have been fired. Everyone is running.

a friend of mine is also on tarmac in a plane waiting for this shit to resolve