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― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:39 (seven years ago) link
Blowing people up using robots is, uh, not a great development in the history of policing, anywhere in the world.
― They could have been Stackridge. (Tom D.), Friday, July 8, 2016 12:38 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
heaven forbid they use some sort of non lethal robot weaponry
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 16:39 (seven years ago) link
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-game-snoop-dogg-protest-lapd-20160708-snap-htmlstory.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 July 2016 16:40 (seven years ago) link
this is kinda off-topic but there are a ton of ex-military dudes working in the community college system. idk why that is (and I only work with California) but it's definitely a thing.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 July 2016 16:41 (seven years ago) link
that's not all we learned. in my experience, there appears to be a lot of veterans who, upon returning, go into the police force. and it occurs to me that the type of guy who is most uniquely unsuited to community policing---almost as exactly wrong as an actual criminal---is a guy that learned everything he knows from kicking down doors in a warzone. and who might also have some unresolved PTSD/TBI/etc
no clue as to what the numbers are for former combat vets going into the police force, but i bet it's substantial, and i bet that, in addition to the MRAPs and AR15s, they're bringing that culture of occupation with them
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, July 8, 2016 11:14 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
As much as I agree with this, is there really any link to the Castile or Sterling shootings? Were any of the cops involved vets with PTSD? It seems to me like the profile I see more often of a shooter is either a shook, inexperienced rookie or an aggro asshole with a record of brutality, not a PTSD-stricken vet.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:41 (seven years ago) link
whats interesting is this sort of thing hasnt really touched LA very significantly because the LAPD has had a very public very long program of re-ingratiating itself with community and working very hard to maintain trust.. after you know, a massive riot broke out because of police brutality.
xp
― carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link
there's a desperate need to improve how we vet & hire cops but ultimately that would necessitate higher pay/bigger policing budget which we all know will never happen
― skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:43 (seven years ago) link
dallas police have a relatively good reputation for community relations too as far as that goes, still agents of the police state tho
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 16:44 (seven years ago) link
is there a thread about having crazy racist friends pop up out of nowhere on social media? i mean, this is a pretty common occurrence, right?
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
i am in favor of paying cops better and vetting cops better and training cops better and disarming cops and it is frustrating that those imperatives are considered contradictory
― thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link
yeah there have been a lot of stories going around about dallas actually being a relative success story in police reform, which makes the whole thing a lot sadder/more frustrating to the extent it gets used to blunt calls for reform.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:46 (seven years ago) link
they not gonna kill u theyre just gonna lock u up for life on some bs conspiracy charge, congratulations
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link
xplike this one: https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/dallas-police-numbers
― Dominique, Friday, 8 July 2016 16:48 (seven years ago) link
not saying that there is any connection in either of those instances --- more observing that the movement from military to police brings with it weapons AND culture. and that affects not just veterans in the force, but everyone: a rookie internalizes the idea that they're patrolling a warzone filled with potential enemies, and pops off because he gets scared. an aggro asshole justifies his aggression on the grounds that he's the only force for order in an otherwise savage environment. that some cops might have undiagnosed combat-related PTSD and/or TBI is noted simply as a possibility, and one that might figure in significantly into at least a few police interactions
xps
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:49 (seven years ago) link
being a cop is plenty to give u ptsd on its own
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 16:52 (seven years ago) link
i bet
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:58 (seven years ago) link
i am so completely unimpressed by ppl's reactions to this shit. you really have a problem with bad cops? go be a good cop.
― yolo mostly (sleepingbag), Friday, 8 July 2016 16:59 (seven years ago) link
http://www.kare11.com/mb/news/police-scanner-audio-1/267042738
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:01 (seven years ago) link
maybe robot cops will be less likely to kill black people indiscriminately
― ejemplo (crüt), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:02 (seven years ago) link
white supremacists also promote the idea that policing in black communities is some kind of "warzone" activity, I mean there are a lot of things in media, police subculture, and conservative middle class communities in general that contribute to cops having at a minimum a subconscious idea that a black person is threatening.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
apparently from the Castile arrest xxp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
― ejemplo (crüt), Friday, July 8, 2016 1:02 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
not if they let white ppl program them
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link
self-driving car that crashed didn't see color, iirc
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link
We taught a twitter bot to be racist and anti-Semitic in like three hours, turning a robot into the dog from White Dog should be child's play.
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link
Recently revisited this piece from last year:
Police Shootings Won't Stop Unless We Also Stop Shaking Down Black PeopleThe dangers of turning police officers into revenue generators.http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/police-shootings-traffic-stops-excessive-fines
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:05 (seven years ago) link
http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/robocop_top.jpg
― the event dynamics of power asynchrony (rushomancy), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:06 (seven years ago) link
newt gingrich said this
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm25nXqWEAAX7X3.jpg
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/07/08/newt-gingrich-white-americans-dont-understand-being-black-in-america/
honestly the most shocking thing so far
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:12 (seven years ago) link
police need to be trained like monks, or Jedi or some shit
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link
Trump said (in a Facebook post mostly about Dallas), "The senseless, tragic deaths of two people in Louisiana and Minnesota reminds us how much more needs to be done."
― timellison, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:15 (seven years ago) link
so it WAS Newt in the Jheri curl
― ejemplo (crüt), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link
xpost I believe he initially said "two motorists": http://hinterlandgazette.com/2016/07/donald-trump-finally-addresses-alton-sterling-philando-castile-shootings-get-slightly-wrong.html
― some anal dread (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
I am likewise flabbergasted by that Newt Gingrich statement.
― some anal dread (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
trump not actually going so far as to admit racism exists (outside of anti white racism of course)
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
In terms of risk, I was just talking to a friend about how Castile was reported to have a prior "record" of 31 minor traffic infringements. He was a school cafeteria worker (i.e. low wage) who presumably needed a car to get to work. Being poor plus black = missing insurance payments, not being able to renew license right away, not being able to fix stuff like broken tail lights, etc., and being black and riding in an old clunky car = being WAY more likely to get pulled over every single time you slip. So just thinking about how many more interactions with police he had to go through than the average person and then how much more likely it was that police would be aggressive with him each time it happened.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:19 (seven years ago) link
I mean that's fucking crazy, 31 times. I've been pulled over exactly twice in my life and have definitely done my share of speeding, driving without proper documents on me (even if I had them), violating minor traffic rules, driving with a light out, etc.
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:20 (seven years ago) link
(to be clear he was probably pulled over more than 31 times, assuming some of those ended with a warning).
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:21 (seven years ago) link
(er also I guess there could have been multiple infractions on a single stop, but w/e, that's a lot any way you slice it).
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link
classic Newt - go from eye-opening legit cogent point to a totally irrelevant cultural dogwhistle about hip hop
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:32 (seven years ago) link
I take that back, a more generous reading of his statement about alienation leading to sloganeering is certainly possible
― Οὖτις, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:34 (seven years ago) link
woke newt
― ♫ Corbyn's on fire / PLP is terrified ♫ (jim in glasgow), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:37 (seven years ago) link
I'm still boggling at that statement from Gingrich
also lol: so it WAS Newt in the Jheri curl
― volumetric god rays (DJP), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:40 (seven years ago) link
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13620723_10101088199830621_8507605349493606196_n.jpg?oh=aa0ebb9937aaee4d11abbb35884bc155&oe=57F05CA3
― nomar, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link
what the fuck
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/tFVzEEB.png
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
is that dumb tweet about the diverse people of our nation, and, if so, are latinos...tabasco??
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link
i guess this is glaringly obvious but maybe it's time to change this model of choosing among the dregs of the public labor force to roam the streets with a license to kill
― skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link
feel like she was just having feelings while eating breakfast
― lag∞n, Friday, 8 July 2016 17:45 (seven years ago) link
omg lagoon, the response to that Geraldo tweet
― volumetric god rays (DJP), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:46 (seven years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, July 8, 2016 1:04 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and not if they teach them use historically "effective" heuristics and training data to train them
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 8 July 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link