Ongoing U.S Police Brutality and Corruption Discussion Thread

trump not actually going so far as to admit racism exists (outside of anti white racism of course)

In terms of risk, I was just talking to a friend about how Castile was reported to have a prior "record" of 31 minor traffic infringements. He was a school cafeteria worker (i.e. low wage) who presumably needed a car to get to work. Being poor plus black = missing insurance payments, not being able to renew license right away, not being able to fix stuff like broken tail lights, etc., and being black and riding in an old clunky car = being WAY more likely to get pulled over every single time you slip. So just thinking about how many more interactions with police he had to go through than the average person and then how much more likely it was that police would be aggressive with him each time it happened.

I mean that's fucking crazy, 31 times. I've been pulled over exactly twice in my life and have definitely done my share of speeding, driving without proper documents on me (even if I had them), violating minor traffic rules, driving with a light out, etc.

(to be clear he was probably pulled over more than 31 times, assuming some of those ended with a warning).

(er also I guess there could have been multiple infractions on a single stop, but w/e, that's a lot any way you slice it).

classic Newt - go from eye-opening legit cogent point to a totally irrelevant cultural dogwhistle about hip hop

I take that back, a more generous reading of his statement about alienation leading to sloganeering is certainly possible

woke newt

lol

I'm still boggling at that statement from Gingrich

also lol: so it WAS Newt in the Jheri curl

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13620723_10101088199830621_8507605349493606196_n.jpg?oh=aa0ebb9937aaee4d11abbb35884bc155&oe=57F05CA3

what the fuck

http://i.imgur.com/tFVzEEB.png

is that dumb tweet about the diverse people of our nation, and, if so, are latinos...tabasco??

i guess this is glaringly obvious but maybe it's time to change this model of choosing among the dregs of the public labor force to roam the streets with a license to kill

feel like she was just having feelings while eating breakfast

omg lagoon, the response to that Geraldo tweet

maybe robot cops will be less likely to kill black people indiscriminately

― ejemplo (crüt), Friday, July 8, 2016 1:02 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not if they let white ppl program them

― lag∞n, Friday, July 8, 2016 1:04 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and not if they teach them use historically "effective" heuristics and training data to train them

i think the tabasco is blood : [

http://66.media.tumblr.com/3746f585883ea8daa1e9aef64764811a/tumblr_ntp5nnKPKA1qagxv6o1_1280.jpg

the gingrich thing is bizarre. in the same breath he offers empathy to black folks and suggests they are not "normal." it's like he can't sustain an anti-racist statement without at least one implicitly racist undertone.

xposts -- aren't cops in big cities paid pretty well? even rookie cops around here are paid more than 2x what i've ever made.

regardless I think we all can agree that is a terrible attempt at a haiku

+ generous benefits, pensions, etc.

xposts

let's bury Geraldo in Al Capone's vault

aren't cops in big cities paid pretty well? even rookie cops around here are paid more than 2x what i've ever made.

― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, July 8, 2016 1:49 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it really varies i think like in ferguson which is a small department in the middle of a big city their cops werent making much over minimum wage

right, it varies pretty widely. but i don't think "poor pay" is a universal condition of being a cop that somehow helps explain the broad institutional problems.

Apparently this was really just one guy.

In most jurisdictions, cops are well-paid in the same sense that public school teachers are well-paid - good benefits, a decent middle-class/lower-middle-class income (before overtime and side-gigs for police). You won't starve but in urban areas it's not going to be easy.

Dallas PD had an issue a couple of years back about how few city cops could afford to live in the city itself if they wanted to raise a family.

some of the shitest dunmb assholes that i went to high school with are now cops

I think whoever had the idea to blow the shooter up with the bomb robot probably should have to answer some questions, definitely don't think that is good procedure, even if they had to act immediately

Whoever made that call probably could have a pretty good future in software development with ideas like that, though

someone tell the NY Times, they still had "two snipers" 20 mins ago

xxxp

some of the shitest dunmb assholes that i went to high school with are now cops

Same the world over.

NY Times was where I saw this: http://www.nytimes.com/live/news-dallas-shooting-protest/johnson-was

It's weird this turned out to be one guy, there was so much stuff going around suggesting multiple shooters, although I know I know fog of war and whatnot.

Jesus Christ,these fucking headlines. I'm bracing myself for something along the lines of 'Sniper Who Suggested That Whites Are Too Chickenshit To Engage In A Race War Kills Five White Police Officers'.

Although the most sinister yet is 'US Police Forces Respond to Dallas Attack With Grief, Action'.

If it really was one guy, I really want to know more about what exactly prompted the police to detain these other suspects.

there was footage of a guy shooting at ground level def not sniping guess it cldve been after he was on the move

yeah I saw that footage too

In most jurisdictions, cops are well-paid in the same sense that public school teachers are well-paid - good benefits, a decent middle-class/lower-middle-class income (before overtime and side-gigs for police). You won't starve but in urban areas it's not going to be easy.

Dallas PD had an issue a couple of years back about how few city cops could afford to live in the city itself if they wanted to raise a family.

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, July 8, 2016 6:56 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is definitely not how los angeles operates

http://per.lacity.org/psb/lapd_salary.htm

http://achieve.lausd.net/Page/4140

my understanding is that it is easier to move up to pay grade 2/po2 making 70k per annum than to do the same teaching at a public school

do cops still get those sweet sweet pension plans after they retire or is it just for the brass

If it really was one guy, I really want to know more about what exactly prompted the police to detain these other suspects.

why? i mean, sure, it's an open question, but detaining people on even vague suspicion seems a sensible move in a situation like this.

Got into a p annoying fb fight with a lefty friend who was advocating for dismantling police unions. Really don't think that's the answer.

i met an ex police officer here who retired in 10yrs and was getting ~100k per annum including benefits

owns a house in a beach city and surfs all day

also bothered by the grumbling about ex-servicemen in police forces. absent support, the implied accusation is horseshit.

Politicians prostrate before police unions is one of the smelliest constants in American life. deBlasio rolled over for them quickly in NYC after initially being somewhat measured.

Clinton tweeted some palaver about cops' "sacred" duty, i'm pretty sure most don't see it that way.

do cops still get those sweet sweet pension plans after they retire or is it just for the brass

― 龜, Friday, July 8, 2016 2:08 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya and u cn retire quite young is def a huge draw is my understanding

Sacré pd bleu

it is tbh def an extremely difficult job but they need to do it much better

then you get a nice part time job in security while you collect your pension xxp

Early retirement with a large pension is one of the few things is one of the few things I have little argument about re: police.