ILX, coach me up: the "White Straight Guy Who Sucks" Narrative and corresponding lack of "... Who Sucks" in anything other than indie snooze

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Sam explained potatoes to Gollum, he is a paragon of patience

the lava-staring club (Abbott), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:09 (seven years ago) link

Smeagol was definitely a dude who sucked

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:22 (seven years ago) link

The Lego Movie goes to town on this :)

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:26 (seven years ago) link

It would be cool if one day society gets to the point where a remake of Edge of Tomorrow ("Live Die Repeat") could swap or otherwise alter the gender / color / orientation of the lead characters and be not seen as being all about the diminishment of the type of person in the Tom Cruise role. That's part of what I'm doing a terrible job circumscribing here.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link

What constitutes suckiness isn't clear cut. There are drab failures and glamorous failures, ground-down failures and resilient failures.

Half-baked profundities. Self-referential smirkiness (Bob Six), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:39 (seven years ago) link

this is not exactly the same thing, but I realized a couple of years ago that the movie Adventures in Babysitting is a huge apologia for Reaganite politics. There are a bunch of different ways this manifests itself (including "scary" black people on the El and the fact that Elizabeth Shue=good guy because she's a virgin), but the scene that most fully drives it home is when the Elizabeth Shue character is on the phone with her friend, whose rescue is the whole impetus of the film. The friend is at a bus station which is portrayed as the deepest level of hell. The friend has commandeered a phone booth which is usually occupied by a homeless man. While friend is on the phone with ES, homeless man returns and knocks on the door of the phone booth, imploring, "that's my home!" ES's friend, with whom we're meant to sympathize, kicks the homeless man's personal effects out of the booth (I remember slippers) and shouts, "you just moved!" I used to love this movie, but it is some chilling shit to rewatch.

― horsehoe (horseshoe), Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:42 AM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

love this post. this movie is so fucked up! the blues club too...what was going to happen if they didn't sing the blues? was albert collins going to murder them?? did the villains have to sing the blues??? how much time was left for albert collins to perform if everyone in the venue had to sing at least once????

all the penelope ann miller bus station stuff was rough. in retrospect the best characters were the tow truck driver and the kid sister, probably. but i still like the movie as a sort of perfect melding of ferris bueller and judgement night.

nomar, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:56 (seven years ago) link

and oh man they left that dude on the facade of the crain communications building at the end of the movie. he was still there after the credits!

nomar, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:58 (seven years ago) link

The kid sister with the Thor helmet is a horror – my idea of hell is that girl as Satan.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link

i remember liking her character for whatever reason but i also haven't seen the movie since the '90s

nomar, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:05 (seven years ago) link

never forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9GBuciv20A

Number None, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link


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