Battlestar Galactica Revival

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all the Mormon subtext in BG

One of my most amazing and amusing discoveries when I was getting more interested in Mormonism as a social history, that subtext. In the same way that all the Christianity in Narnia flew over my head when I first read it, I had to have it pointed out to me later vis-a-vis all the stuff in Galactica that was pure Joseph Smith. So much for allegory!

I kind of hope they put Hatch and/or Dirk Benedict in a throwaway cameo role

Hatch is doubtful for reasons outlined above (though it seems Ron Moore at least is trying to keep in touch with the fanbase via him at points), Benedict I could see...

Yes, I owned a BG novelization many years ago in my callow youth -- it was of the two part ice planet/big gun episode (actually, why couldn't the damn ship have just steered somewhere else?). Weird thing was it was actually pretty good.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 March 2003 01:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I had thought the little bit of Christian parallel in Narnia that I saw as a teenager was me reading too much into it until I was much older :) The Mormon bits in BG I never would have caught without having them pointed out to me. And now they seem so obvious I can't believe there wasn't a fundamentalist outcry over "Space Mormons poisoning the minds of our youth."

Best part of the reboot aspect: they get to ignore Galactica 1980, as should we all (except maybe the Starbuck/Secret Origin of Cousin Oliver episode).

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 2 March 2003 01:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

they get to ignore Galactica 1980, as should we all (except maybe the Starbuck/Secret Origin of Cousin Oliver episode).

Yeah, that one was actually pretty great (certainly did the same theme of Enemy Mine better than the movie version did, lemme tell ya).

What WAS the deal with Cousin Oliver? Exactly who thought it would be a good idea to cast a younger version of Paul Williams, or to even create that role? The Wesley Goddamn Crusher of his time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 March 2003 01:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Creating the role to begin with is the part that baffles me most. Were they trying to appeal to a younger audience, since they shifted from Apollo and Starbuck to ... Troy and Dillon (thank you, imdb)? I was only five, and I still didn't go much for towheaded child geniuses. This was around the same time as Mork and Mindy, though, wasn't it, and the whole Orkans-age-backwards-so-Orson-is-a-little-kid thing?

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 2 March 2003 01:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Actually, trawling around on some fansites turns up the info the character was called Dr. Zee. Still, he was a stupid prick.

This page I just found details more about why the 1980 series was as bad as it was. Thankfully I've somehow forgotten about the Super Scouts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 March 2003 01:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh geez, the Super Scouts. Yeah. You could remake Galactica 1980 as the world's worst anime without a single tweak.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 2 March 2003 02:00 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I did like the episode in Galactica 1980 where a Cylon came down to Earth and blended in perfectly because it was Halloween. Also, there was the typical cost-cutting where Dr. Zee showed Adama the consequences of a Cylon attack on Los Angeles complete with loads of stock footage from Earthquake.

Didn't Richard Hatch and Glen A. Larson both have rival revivals planned at about the same time?

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Sunday, 2 March 2003 10:04 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

will they update the robot dog?

keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 2 March 2003 16:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No robot dog. Instead it'll be some sort of wisecracking hologram buddy named Zaxor, I'll bet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 March 2003 16:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Battlestar Galactica is rubbish. Sorry, but it has to be said.

It did have some things going for it... I'll always remember the noises the launching fighters made from the neighbouring cinema while watching Watership Down.

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 2 March 2003 22:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

''Sorry, but it has to be said.''

no need to feel sorry abt it DV.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 2 March 2003 22:56 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The mormon angle is interesting, though.

does anyone remember the weird later episodes where god shows up to bail them out of trouble?

DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 2 March 2003 23:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
Okay, partially because my Martian Chronicles reread made me think of my other sf obsessions on the cusp of the eighties -- Gil Gerard's Buck Rogers, the original Galactica and above all else A Certain George Lucas Series -- last night I idly wandered over to the revival website and checked the trailers as well as reading the various bits of guff from the executive producer. And you know, I'm actually interested enough now to see how this will turn out. Various versions of the script have been circulating, here's a highly detailed pro/con breakdown from a hyperfan. Personally since I'm NOT a hyperfan and since the reviewer says this script would succeed more for those who aren't than those who are, I'll take that as a good sign.

Turns out the original series is also going to come out on DVD shortly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:33 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(And for what it's worth, a huge interview -- part one and part two -- between Ron Moore and a hyperfan of the original.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
Has this thing aired yet? I just saw a trailer for the new miniseries on the Battlestar Galactica DVD and it looks very very...different.

By the way, I noticed on one of the displays on the Galactica the words popping up on the screen: "Made in USA". How's that for a civilization that hasn't found Earth yet?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 24 October 2003 02:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

December, I think ...

Yeah, December 8. Oh, that's not ominous AT ALL! They must be trying to piggyback on the anniversary of the Immaculate Conception.

Why do you have a problem with the Galactica being made by the Universal Spaceship Assemblers, Sean?

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 02:57 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No real problem. I think I saw something on the Cylon displays mentioning that their ships had been constructed by the United Star Ship Repair company.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 24 October 2003 03:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, they're the guys who bought out Consolidated Cybernetic Circuitry Positronics, I think.

Moby should be in this movie.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 03:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ha ha! guys are nerds.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 24 October 2003 03:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Neuro-Electric Robot Dudes, yes.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 03:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Admit it, Kim, you want to go buy the DVD box set just so you can have the silver Cylon helmet to perch on your bookshelf:

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 24 October 2003 03:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Bookshelves are for nerds.

Kim (Kim), Friday, 24 October 2003 03:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So you're admitting that you're going to be putting your DVD set on your bookshelf then. Make sure you get a picture of that to post here!

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 24 October 2003 03:21 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I can't believe they fit the whole series in a single Cylon helmet.

Now I just want the Galactica 1980 one with special remove-the-Super-Scouts track!

Actually, I want audio commentary by Dirk Benedict and Moby on all of it.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 03:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

By the way, the original pilot/movie is notable because you actually get to see Rick Springfield snuff it.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 24 October 2003 03:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm so glad I finished that sentence instead of stopping after "Rick Springfield snuff."

(Or am I?)

The original pilot is genuinely good. I'll stand by that for at least a week.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 24 October 2003 03:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
The Cylon helmet keeps taunting me from the impulse zone behind the counter at Borders.

Just saw the brief ad for Monday's miniseries (it's probably on the web or something, but I have no soundcard), and it seemed to come down to this: "God didn't create the Cylons. Man did."; hey, that's a mighty Earth-like planet there, I hope it isn't actually Earth; oh, it's Mary McDonnell; "let's go kick some Cylon ass!"

I'm not sure what to think.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 20:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(The Earth-like planet isn't Mary McDonnell, btw.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 21:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Smartest move of this series so far -- no Muffit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 21:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, they deserve the benefit of the doubt just for that.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 23:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Smartest move of this series so far -- no Muffit.
Oh...wait until the miniseries is over.
The big shocking secret in the miniseries is that Muffit is the secret Cylon overlord.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 4 December 2003 05:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Anyone else see part 1?

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 12:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Missed it. Any good?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 14:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

... I'm honestly not sure. I think the fairest thing way to sum up (bearing in mind part 2 is still coming) is a) it's not much like the original at all (or if it's meant to be, the makers of it enjoyed completely different things about BG than I did), and b) that doesn't mean it sucks.

I miss the visual style of the original most, I think. But I'm curious enough to watch part 2.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 16:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

When I first started seeing the adverts, I kept saying to myself: "Edward James Olmos as Adama? EDWARD JAMES OLMOS!?"
But after seeing episode one, I decided he was a very good choice.

Good Points:
1) The Battle Scenes roXor!
2) Ship design is excellent.
3) The Female Starbuck was a good idea.

Bad Points
1) The whole Cylons are now disguised as humans shtick.
2) Costume design is a bad knockoff of Babylon 5.
3) The bland bland bland guy playing Apollo was a bad idea. (I mean, shit, the guy from the original series was this Jim-Morrison looking sex symbol guy that it made sense for the hotties to be hanging all over him. This guy isn't merely bland, he's a boring actor.)
4) The whole "Cylon chick who is devoutly religious" thing is probably going to either
   a) confuse the issues by adding fake spirituality or
   b) open a can of worms by implying that the heroes are all athiests " all good heroes should be..."; while hamfistedly making the bad guys all "Fundamentalists."

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 18:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

He's a very different and grimmer Adama, that's for sure, but he fits this story better than someone who was trying to be Lorne Green would.

I like the human Cylons! In theory. In moderation.

The religious Cylon thing ... boy, I'm not sure how to take that. Taking the religious subtext from the original and .. making it explicit and some kind of plot point? I guess? I don't know. We'll see how it turns out.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 18:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Is it still all Mormon-ed out?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not really. Probably. The inclusion of a robot who asks her human lover if he's bothered by her religious conviction makes me wonder where they're going with that, but whatever they're doing with the religion bit, I don't think it's Mormon-specific anymore. I could be wrong, though, haven't seen part 2 yet.

(Or they could be riffing off Mormon stuff I don't know anything about, to be honest.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 December 2003 19:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Okay, part 2 is much better. Ned, if you see it, I'm curious what you think. (And on a related note, did you happen to catch Sci Fi Channel running the Buck Rogers pilot the other day? I'd never seen it! Watched the show as much as Galactica when I was a kid, but somehow missed the pilot.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 03:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, I saw the pilot all right, the whole dang series. Me liked it (but I would).

I will definitely catch this Galactica miniseries at some point -- if it repeats while I'm at home over Xmas, then. Otherwise I'll wait on the inevitable DVD.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 04:03 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I watched a little bit of it last night and it's not bad - certainly when compared with the usual anemic stuff that Sci-Fi Channel produces. The overall feeling now is more like Heinlein or the short-lived Space Above And Beyond series.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 07:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not surprisingly, Salt Lake City hates it (but doesn't mention the de-mormonizing)

Watched more of it this morning. I was quite impressed that they actually dealt with the mechanics of zero-g inertia with things moving in space and filled in the details of Viper maneuvering jets, etc.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The writer of that Salt Lake City Tribute article is a ninny and doesn't have his facts straight.

That's hardly a sophisticated assessment, but the original show starring Lorne Greene as Adama and Richard Hatch as his star-pilot son was hardly a sophisticated hour of television.
In fact, the original "Battlestar Galactica" was a cheesy low-brow piece of science fiction entertainment that lasted only one season.

No. It lasted at least three, and had an (admittedly awful) sequel.

As in the original show, the malevolent Cylons were once a race of shiny tin cans who have now evolved into slimy creatures that can take on the form of humans.
Slime? No, they were just robots with realistic looking skin.

I told y'all that the religion aspect was going to piss off somebody.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:19 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Battlestar Galactica did last only one season (glactica 80 not included).

stevie (stevie), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I agree with this guy.

Re:A quick and dirty review (Score:5, Insightful)
by willtsmith (466546) on Thursday December 11, @09:40PM (#7697123)
(Last Journal: Sunday November 09, @10:52PM)
I really liked the sound of metal on metal in the fight scenes. This is what it actually should sound like. You can only hear the stuff that's impacting your ship.

The navigational effects were awesome. The way the ships moved reminded me of playing Descent.

The faster than light travel was realistic from the standpoint that as soon as you jump ... POOOF ... your gone.

I think we all get very attached to the things we saw in our youth. Sometimes, when you go back and watch some of that stuff again, you realize it's pretty stupid. Original Battlestar Galactica's was way to uptite about having greek names for EVERYTHING.

Criticisms of the new version:
* I can appreciate trying to "bring home" the drama by not dressing the actors in polyester jumpsuits. However, I think the Pinstripe shirts some of these guys were wearing gave you the sense that these people just wandered onto the set in their street clothes.
The officer uniforms from the original were better. As others have pointed out, these one's look like they came straight off of Babylon 5.

* They are using techno buzzwords like "wireless" way too much. I'd like everybody to review their original Star Trek. They had boxes/gizmos and they were effectively magic. The crew didn't describe HOW the boxes worked.
I can remember watching Star Trek in the 80s and saying "Those little cassette thingies they put data on are way too unrealistic". They look nothing like a floppy disk. Well guess what, all those magic doohickies on Original Star Trek are now realities: Flip Phones(communicators), Stun Guns (phasers on stun), Pocket Computers (Tri-Corders).
So please stop trying to be techno hip. It's not REAL science fiction, it's a space drama. Battlestar Galactica with techno goop (not even CORRECT techno-goop) is effectively Star Trek Voyager.

* I like the angle with Baltar. Hoever, they've effectively turned him into Dr. Smith from "Lost In Space". Coincidentally, they were also trying to find Earth.

* I don't get why the fighter bays have to "retract". This is like the Enterprise splitting in two. There is no reason for it.

* The "Model 5" hallucination to some degree is a rip off of John Crichtons "Scorpy" implant on Farscape. BTW, quit calling EVERYTHING a chip.

Good stuff

* The Cylons are creepy. They are also multi-faceted. They are somewhat emotional.

* The effects are Bab 5 effects, and they are excellent.

* The bull-Amazon Starbuck is an interesting twist. I also like how these old GOOFY names are just their pilot handles.

* Ships move more like they should.

Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Friday, 12 December 2003 15:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

For Immediate Release

Canadian Television Premiere
Part 1 - Saturday, January 17 @ 9pm ET
Part 2 - Sunday, January 18 @ 9pm ET

(Toronto - December 12, 2003) The ultimate battle between man and
begins as the long-awaited re-imagination of the cult classic,
Galactica, comes to Canada exclusively on SPACE: The Imagination
Station. A
tale of the human struggle to survive, the new miniseries stays true to
core of the 1978 original, but introduces some exciting new twists
the transformation of Starbuck, the tough pilot (originally portrayed
Dirk Benedict) into a female character, played by Katee Sackhoff
Resurrection). The two-part miniseries launches Saturday, January 17 @
ET and concludes Sunday, January 18 @ 9pm ET. SPACE will also air a
look at the making of the miniseries in Battlestar Galactica: Behind
Scenes, a SPACE original production on Saturday, January 17 @ 8:30pm

Starring Oscar nominated actors Edward James Olmos (Blade Runner, Miami
Vice) as Commander Adama and Mary McDonnell (Dances With Wolves) as
President Laura Roslin, the miniseries begins as Commander Adama and
crew of the Galactica embark on plans to put the aircraft carrier in
retirement. The ship has been out of commission for almost 40 years,
the end of the war between the people of the 12 Colonies of Kobol and
Cylons, the robots created by the humans.

As plans for the closing festivities for the beloved vessel get
underway, a
new breed of Cylons, which are virtually indistinguishable from human
beings, suddenly attack and it is up to the crew of the Galactica to
the future of the human race. The lesson they soon learn is that the
are not in their creation, but in themselves. Also stars James Callis
(Bridget Jones's Diary) as Dr. Baltar, Alberta-born model/actress
Helfer as Number Six, Jamie Bamber (Band of Brothers) as Apollo, Grace
as Boomer, and features Canadian actors Aaron Douglas, Paul Campbell
Matthew Bennett (Cold Squad).

Battlestar Galactica was shot in Vancouver, British Columbia and
directed by
Michael Rymer (In Too Deep, Queen of the Damned), and written and
produced by Robert D. Moore (Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek:
Space Nine, Roswell).

SPACE: The Imagination Station, a division of CHUM Television, is a
24-hour-a-day English-language national Science Fiction, Science Fact,
Speculation and Fantasy channel (

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Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 12 December 2003 16:10 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

CHUM Television

Yeah, that's a great name.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 12 December 2003 16:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's one P short of accurate

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 12 December 2003 16:12 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Update from CHUM:

Please note the following correction:
Ronald D. Moore is the writer and executive producer for Battlestar
Galactica, and not Robert D. Moore.
Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. Please don't hesitate to
in touch with me if you have any questions.

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 12 December 2003 16:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dudes! I just got my preview copies of BOTH PARTS in the mail! I rock!

Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 15 December 2003 16:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

ime experience this is not something live people are able to do

Harvey Cartel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 August 2012 21:49 (five years ago) Permalink

Just because she's a ghost doesn't mean she's not there. That's racist.

Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Monday, 6 August 2012 21:50 (five years ago) Permalink

tbf, dead people don't walk around and fly spaceships either

your native bacon (mh), Monday, 6 August 2012 21:50 (five years ago) Permalink

hhmmmmm yes, it's almost as if her entire character arc makes no sense...

Harvey Cartel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 6 August 2012 21:54 (five years ago) Permalink

has anyone here ever played the board game? it's REALLY fun, prob the best thing that came out of this series

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Monday, 6 August 2012 22:50 (five years ago) Permalink

thats it!

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Monday, 6 August 2012 22:52 (five years ago) Permalink

I never knew there was a board game!

Just because she's a ghost doesn't mean she's not there. That's racist.

SMH at the racism against ghosts on this board.

LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:22 (five years ago) Permalink

It's sad, she was a ghost.

Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 13:56 (five years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

my decision to rewatch this for winter 2012/13 is probably the best decision i have made in the past few months

i'd totally forgotten that the mini-series came out in *2003* - i do remember where i watched it and feeling the hype. it's still so good and so brutal! the part with the kid on the garden ship without an ftl drive, just before it gets nuked! whoa. harshness.
and the fate of the human race, floating in space! and 33 minutes btwn jumps! the humanity!
anyway. it's fun to experience this show again.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 03:35 (five years ago) Permalink

Did some recent skipping around thanks to Netflix. The series ending still falls apart big time, but sure started with a bang and then some. In retrospect not showing the fall of the Colonies much at the start was a brilliant move, everything felt more isolated from the get-go.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 03:37 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah imo everything after sbux reappearance is meh but everything up to and including her absence is a+

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 29 November 2012 05:45 (five years ago) Permalink

the stretch around the end of the second season/start of the third is seriously awesome

mookieproof, Thursday, 29 November 2012 06:10 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah the whole last 1.5 seasons is middling, except for the muutiny/sedition arc in the last season, which weirdly reverted to pure S1 awesomeness.

Simon H., Thursday, 29 November 2012 06:28 (five years ago) Permalink

mookie and simon utterly OTM.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 29 November 2012 14:14 (five years ago) Permalink

Re the finale, I felt most* of the character arcs were resolved satisfactorily. It's just that the actual plot really really wasn't.

*glaring exception - STARBUCK IS AN ANGEL

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 29 November 2012 14:16 (five years ago) Permalink

Yes, yes, and yes.

The finale was *not* good, but it didn't ruin the show. I still want to watch the whole thing again sometime, unlike (obviously) Lost.

The mutiny stuff was probably a series highlight.

I aslo keep forgetting the Rosyln assistant character – in my mind I keep thinking he’s Chris Addison.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 29 November 2012 14:22 (five years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

I just watched the pilot last night, and now i have the first season ready to go. It'll have to be a few weeks but i'm going to nerd out so much on this pretty soon. It is pretty great! Hot-shot space marine who's the best starpilot in the galaxy? Commentary on the consequences of war from the perspective of both The President and a oblivious, doomed little girl? An army of sexy killer robots? Hell yes.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 March 2013 01:09 (four years ago) Permalink

man you're in for about two seasons of really awesome shit

adam, Friday, 22 March 2013 01:41 (four years ago) Permalink

My favourite discovery of the past couple of weeks

kinder, Friday, 22 March 2013 17:58 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

just finished episode 1 and, like, this is a pretty fuckin satsfying show huh

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 October 2014 21:03 (three years ago) Permalink


Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 October 2014 21:24 (three years ago) Permalink

haven't read this thread yet eh

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 October 2014 21:24 (three years ago) Permalink

it strikes me that this show is reeeeeeally white

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 October 2014 22:08 (three years ago) Permalink

there's two main non-white female leads but idk if that's clear at the beginning

Οὖτις, Friday, 3 October 2014 22:09 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Richard Hatch, a veteran actor known for his portrayal of a hotshot pilot on the 1970s science-fiction television series “Battlestar Galactica” and a political leader in a reboot of the series more than two decades later, died on Tuesday. He was 71.

j., Wednesday, 8 February 2017 05:12 (eleven months ago) Permalink

;_; rip Apollo

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 06:18 (eleven months ago) Permalink


Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 10:03 (eleven months ago) Permalink

RIP traitorous Zarek

I like this take on the character (copied from WikI):

After "Blood on the Scales", Richard Hatch commented on Zarek's motives on the Chicago Tribune website:[1] "I would like to say that never did I play this character as a villain nor did I think he was one and I still feel that way. After paying the price of 25 years in prison for standing up for human rights and seeing both his family, friends and cohorts killed by a suppressive government on his home planet he had every right to distrust the powers that be on Galactica that seemed to think that only they had the right to make decisions for the people. And since Zarek was blocked illegally by Roslin and Adama at every turn including from winning a fair election he had to resort to any leverage he could gain to assert some kind of voice in what had become an almost dictatorial government run by Adama and Roslin, who looked with disdain upon the council of the 12 and did pretty much what they wanted without consensus of the people." In his opinion, "Zarek, Adama and Roslin all wanted power for the same reason, to make a positive difference but Zarek still idealistically believed that the government should always be accountable to the people".

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 13:04 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Is Hatch near unique in this regard? To have played two distinctly different characters in two versions of the same story/franchise/whatever, where both were key characters for the story as a whole? (As opposed to simply a walk-on/cameo role in a reboot, since that's happened any number of times.) I know that he wasn't supposed to be recurring initially but obviously he became one.

Of course saying 'distinctly different' is shaded nicely by his quote there -- he, very rightly, played both characters as heroes according to their own standards.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 14:50 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I certainly think his decades-long efforts to reboot the show before the reboot are remarkable.

Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:10 (eleven months ago) Permalink

The original series is hokey as hell but I loved it to death as a kid, and he made for a good, earnest hero.

Dysphagia Nutrition Solutions (stevie), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:10 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I started watching the original show with Galactica 1980 where they go back in time and punch Hitler or something. I think it's supposed to be awful but I LOVED it. Not sure if Hatch appears in it, actually.

The two-parter that sends off Hatch's character is probably the sole redeeming moment of the last season or so. So frustrating to see that glimpse of former excellence followed by the S.O.S. again.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:50 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I started watching the original show with Galactica 1980 where they go back in time and punch Hitler or something. I think it's supposed to be awful but I LOVED it. Not sure if Hatch appears in it, actually.

He wasn't -- very few of the characters from the original show made it over. Adama, Boomer (now in Tigh's position) and Boxey, now one of the two adult leads, are the only consistent carryovers. Starbuck ended up marooned on a desert planet in a flashback episode and Baltar is still out there Baltaring. That's about it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

If the series had survived any more, the batshittery would have increased, per Wikipedia:

the series was cancelled during production of episode 11, "The Day They Kidnapped Cleopatra", which remained unfinished

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:31 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I mean at this rate, they would have ended up creating Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure eight years early.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:32 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Good grief, and it turns out the original version of Galactica 1980 would have been even goofier...though it is interesting that Baltar in this version would have partially followed the path of the one in the new version:

Both Larson and the network felt the show needed some major change of focus to relaunch it as a spin-off, and Larson and Donald P. Bellisario decided to set the new series five years after "The Hand of God", the final episode of the original series. This would allow them to weed out many supporting characters who were now considered superfluous - Colonel Tigh, Athena, Cassiopeia, Boxey, etc. - which would bring down production costs. The only major characters to return from the original series would be Commander Adama, Colonel Boomer (replacing Tigh), Apollo, Starbuck and Count Baltar. Baltar was to have made atonement for betraying the Colonies to the Cylons, and was now the President of the Council of Twelve.

Upon discovering a 'present day' Earth completely unable to defend itself from the Cylons, Adama decided to just head off into deep space to lead the Cylons away from the planet, but Baltar suggested using time travel technology to alter Earth's history so its technology would develop more rapidly up to a Colonial level. The Council votes this suggestion down, so Baltar steals a ship capable of time travel and heads into Earth's past to carry out his plan anyway. After some deliberation, Starbuck and Apollo are sent after him to bring him back or at least undo his changes to history. Episodes would feature a new "Time Mission" every week, generally with Apollo at some different time in the past, and Starbuck flying back and forth between "Now" and "Then" to give information and support to Apollo. ABC approved this pitch, and gave the approval to develop a pilot for the series.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:35 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Baltar is still out there Baltaring


mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

dont stop baltaring

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:36 (eleven months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

My lack of surprise: total.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 June 2017 19:11 (seven months ago) Permalink


Οὖτις, Monday, 12 June 2017 19:12 (seven months ago) Permalink

But, in a way, isn't not having a plan the most cunning plan of all . . . ?

I'll show myself out.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, 12 June 2017 19:14 (seven months ago) Permalink

That's great.

El Tomboto, Monday, 12 June 2017 19:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

Outlander is a better show, really, for not writing itself into a corner every season.

it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Monday, 12 June 2017 21:26 (seven months ago) Permalink

I saw in an FB live vid that Lisa Joy (Westworld) is writing a Galactica film, dunno how I feel about that.

Brakhage, Monday, 12 June 2017 22:17 (seven months ago) Permalink

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