Will Oldham/Palace/Bonnie Prince Billie: S&D

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yeah there are tons of great songs in his stuff from the last decade... he just releases a lot of stuff, which i think minimizes the market/word-of-mouth impact of any one album or song.

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 04:48 (seven years ago) link

I was completely obsessed during my college years. Yeah, as beautifully articulated above, it's less catchy jams and more about a lilting, dark/light mystic world that he conjures and inhabits. I think he's a brilliant lyricist and persona.

circa1916, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 06:26 (seven years ago) link

This is his most underappreciated song in recent years that I've heard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIv-pD6R7VI

Chris L, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 08:59 (seven years ago) link

I love this all-time classic post (well okay, actually two posts)

i went to a fair in a small and quaint english town once & all the villagers were wearing costumes & among them walked bonnie prince billy

― schlump, Saturday, 15 November 2014 06:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have a picture somewhere

it was nice because there was a moment when we pointed across the harbour while we were eating at a man with a big beard wearing all denim, & said that he looked like bonnie prince billy, this amusing because bonnie prince billy's look is that of the strange man of the village, probably at least approximately replicated in most small and quaint villages

but it was bonnie prince billy

― schlump, Saturday, 15 November 2014 06:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Tell me who sends these infamous .gifs (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 11:05 (seven years ago) link

I'm far from a BPB completist, but I feel comfortable saying that the best thing he's done in recent years = helping to launch Angel Olsen's career. The Now Here's My Plan EP of reworked old material is also a highlight... I seem to recall the 2013 s/t LP being nice though I haven't listened to it since it first came out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSO2SqwI-cI <<< this is hawt

Tell me who sends these infamous .gifs (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 11:09 (seven years ago) link

A like a lot, or at least some, of what many of you have mentioned - I want to say I've enjoyed The Letting Go and more recently Beware and Lie Down Into the Light, though not Plays Greatest - but like I said, "Darkness" is the only one I honestly ever go back to. It could be that at least from my perspective, even if his other stuff is good, that album is just better? I dunno. Like I mentioned, I've been at least casually following him since, I dunno, 1993 or so? That's when I moved to Chicago, and that's when a lot of friends of mine were really into Palace. But Palace never did it for me then, and every several years I try again and it has yet to click. I don't find it objectively "bad," I just can't put my finger on what's pushing me away. (I'm also not a fan of Slint, so who knows.)

I think the persona thing may be what keeps me a few arms lengths away. I mean, Dylan has a persona, too, but I've never had much of an emotional connection to his music, even the stuff I like best, yet that's never been a problem; I find him best at his funniest, not his most heartbreaking. But BPB, I've had people say "you have to listen to such and such song/album, it will just reduce you to tears!" Yet while I can hear, academically, what he's after, perhaps it's the persona stuff that keeps me from embracing it, or getting out of it what he wants me to.

That said, like Dylan, I think Oldham can be really funny, too, but maybe it's just funny in all the wrong places and that throws me off.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 13:17 (seven years ago) link

i like this guy most on side-projects it seems. that Bitchin Bajas thing (weiiird meditative noodling) and Superwolf are highly recommended!

Ludo, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:30 (seven years ago) link

lie down in the light & beware are both great

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:39 (seven years ago) link

His most recent 'proper' album, Singer's Grave - A Sea of Tongues, is really very good.

Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:47 (seven years ago) link

i adore all the palace stuff, ISAD, joya, all BPB up to ease down the road, after that i find him really boring and spotty but there is a lot i haven't listened to. master and everyone, beware, etc are snoozefests, though lie down in the light has a few songs i really enjoy. i still ahven't heard greatest palace music! i bet i would like it.

marcos, Thursday, 4 August 2016 14:24 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V0NbUYb9BY

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 3 February 2018 08:11 (six years ago) link

My friend Caroline Peyton sings on Singer's Grave, she'd worked w/ Mark Nevers previously and Will thought her voice would be perfect for "Quail and DUMPLINGS!."

eddhurt, Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

Interesting early band history c/o Drag City:

http://www.dragcity.com/news/2018-04-01-stream-palace-1993

STREAM PALACE 1993
posted April 1st, 2018

OHIO RIVER BOAT SONG

It was the summer of 1992 and Todd Brashear invited his friend Will Oldham to come live with him in Bloomington, Indiana where Brashear was in the Audio Engineering program at IU. Oldham moved into a house with Brashear and his schoolmate Grant Barger, and soon they began working on music all together. They set up a weekend session at the house with Barger at the controls, using his 8-track cassette recording machine (not to be confused with the crappy 8-track tape format popularized in the 1970s). They invited David Pajo to come up from Louisville to play on the session. There were three songs to tackle: “For the Mekons et al”, “Two More Days”, and “Drinking Woman”. Brashear played drums and lap steel and sang harmonies, Barger played bass and Pajo played lead guitars (both acoustic and electric). Oldham sang and played acoustic guitar. The house was an older house with high ceilings and wood floors, and Barger’s engineering was impeccable so that everything sounded good and felt in line with an aesthetic that felt like a true realization of what was in Oldham’s mind.

Around the same time, Brashear and Oldham scheduled a session in the IU studios, with Brashear as engineer. Britt Walford and Brian McMahan came up from Louisville and, there in the fancy studio using 16-track 2” magnetic tape, the group recorded “Ohio River Boat Song” and “Riding”, with McMahan playing drums, Brashear playing bass and Walford playing electric guitar. This sound was big and clean and the songs had a polish to them that differed significantly from the house recording with Barger. Beautiful, though maybe not quite the kind of recordings Oldham was beginning to want to be a part of. The Barger session was all about assembling people and getting the takes right together as an ensemble, while the Brashear session was more about studio craft. One could listen to “Drinking Woman” and hear the musicians clearly, almost imagine one is in the room as the song happens. “Ohio River Boat Song” has more of an out-of-time-and-place vibe happening. Brashear and Barger were both great engineers, and the methods and technology used for the two sessions differed significantly.

Oldham sent cassettes to a few record labels featuring a proposed 7” single: “For the Mekons, et al” backed with “Drinking Woman”. A perfect single! Of the four labels Oldham sent tapes to (including Matador, Homestead, and Interscope), only Drag City responded enthusiastically. He’d sent Drag City the tape because he had a copy of the Silver Jews“Dime Map of the Reef” EP and sensed a value-system in play that might accept some of what was being dished out. Drag City said they were intrigued but needed to hear more. Oldham sent them “Ohio River Boat Song” and Drag City was sold; they liked the solid power of that recording. They asked if they could match this latter song with a song from the earlier cassette for release as a single. “Drinking Woman” was a born B-side. The Mekons ode would have to wait for a more opportune moment.

The cover of the single was designed by Paul Greenlaw, a great visual and musical artist from Rhode Island. Greenlaw used an archival aerial photograph of some unnamed coastline over which he superimposed lettering fashioned from a photograph Oldham had taken of Mekons violinist Susie Honeyman (when Greenlaw started the design, the idea was still for “For the Mekons et al” to be the A-side). The lettering spelled out “palace songs”. In the lower-right corner of the front cover was a sad yellow bird that Greenlaw had drawn. The back cover featured a Greenlaw elephant, a “Palace Brothers” banner, a fleur-de-lis (symbol of Louisville, KY) and a photo from the “Drinking Woman” session of Oldham, Brashear and Pajo. There’s an alphabetical listing of contributors to the existence of the record, as Oldham was still figuring things out and didn’t know how best to attribute the existence of any fraction of the whole. Only black and yellow inks were used on the sleeve in order to keep costs down. The label design was a throwback to old-school labels: royal blue with metallic silver ink. Dan Osborn is the Drag City graphics admiral and he executed the label design beautifully.

Oldham shot a video for “Ohio River Boat Song” on 16mm black-and-white film using a wind-up Russian camera. The footage centered around the early morning horse exercises at Churchill Downs in the spring. Osborn and Oldham edited the footage at Osborn’s office in the HARPO compound.

“For the Mekons et al” came out later on the compilation Hey Drag City. “Two More Days” came out on a compilation called Love Is My Only Crime, released in Europe. “Riding” was re-arranged and re-recorded for the record There is No-One What Will Take Care of You. The recording of “Riding” from the Bloomington session was included on Lost Blues and Other Songs.

The "Ohio River Boat Song" single is streaming everywhere now.

THERE IS NO-ONE WHAT WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU

Once the “Ohio River Boat Song” single went into production, Drag City asked the Palace Brothers for a full-length record. Over the summer in Bloomington, Oldham had been writing songs and was thrilled to find that these songs might have a welcome place in the world, at least when it came to there being a label willing to release them. At the end of summer, Oldham moved back to Providence, Rhode Island, where he was ambivalently pursing a college degree in semiotics. He went to ethnomusicology professor Jeff Titon and suggested an independent study class, supervised by Titon, in which Oldham would work on a set of songs derived in many ways from a variety of historical styles, forms and sources. Oldham worked on many of the songs with musicians Matt Fanuele, Paul Greenlaw, John Davis, Mark Cummins, and Colin Gagon. Davis introduced Oldham to the records of the Royal Trux, and at one point during the fall the Trux came through Providence on tour. The band stayed over at the house Oldham shared with writer Bob Arellano. For Oldham, it was the first in-person encounter with the inner world of Drag City; not just Jennifer Herrema and Neil Hagerty, but also drummer Rian Murphy, the third leg of the power tripod (with Dan Osborn and Dan Koretzky) that has defined the character and mission of Drag City over the years.

Oldham and Brashear scheduled the recording session for December of 1992 in Kentucky. Grant Barger would engineer, using his 8-track cassette rig. There were two recording locations: a house on Ohio Street (which street has since lost its name to the larger Frankfort Avenue, of which it is effectively an extension) owned by Steve Driesler (who has, in more recent years, re-entered the Drag City galaxy through his work on the White Glove Test book of Louisville music fliers and his involvement with the Endtables reissue record) and a cabin outside of Brandenburg, KY, called “Merciful”. Brian McMahan and Britt Walford would play on the record, along with Barger, Brashear, Oldham and Paul Greenlaw. Brashear, Barger, McMahan and Walford traded off instruments (inspired, in part, by the Bad Seeds records of the 1980s), while Oldham stuck to singing and playing the guitar and Greenlaw played the banjo. Greenlaw was a deeply inspired and unique banjoist; it was the sound of Greenlaw, as opposed to the sound of a banjo, that made Greenlaw’s presence crucial.

The record was mixed by Brashear, Barger, and Oldham at Brashear’s parents house in east Louisville.

There were fifteen songs considered for the recording. A cover of the Rolling Stones “Hand of Fate” was dropped at the last minute. The full-length record ended up with twelve songs. The outtakes were “Don’t I Look Good Today”, which came out on a double 7” comp called Louisville Sluggers 3, released on Mike Bacayu’s Self Destruct label; and “Valentine’s Day”, which came out eventually on the Palace Music comp Lost Blues and Other Songs. The rest of the songs were new originals Oldham began during the previous summer in Bloomington, except “Riding”, which was begun a year or two earlier, and a cover of Washington Phillips’ “I Had a Good Mother and Father”.

Auspiciously, David Berman and Bob Nastanovitch of the Silver Jews passed through Louisville and stopped by the session at Driesler’s house. It had been the Silver Jews 7” Ep that had inspired Oldham to send the first Palace Brothers recordings to Drag City.

Greenlaw painted and/or the covers for There Is No-One What Will Take Care Of You. Oldham had asked him to render the fable of the mouse and the lion and requested that Greenlaw use bright pink and yellow. Greenlaw worked on the cover intensely, ultimately coming up with four powerful variations. Ultimately, all four were utilized, each for a different format or pressing. The back cover is a black and white photograph of a road in northern Scotland taken by Oldham during a hitch-hiking trip.

The record was licensed, via a connection made by Nastanovitch, to the British label Big Cat. The relationship with Big Cat lasted only for the one release, after which all Palace and Bonnie Prince Billy records were licensed through Domino.

There Is No-One What Will Take Care of You is streaming everywhere now.

COME IN

It was 1993 and the musical ideas were flowing. Oldham wrote two songs for a 7”, “Trudy Dies” and “Come In”. There was a live-to-DAT session done in Louisville and/or Chicago that was deemed unsuccessful. Meanwhile, Neil Hagerty and Jennifer Herrema of Royal Trux were establishing themselves as freelance record producers under the noms-de-guerre Adam & Eve, and it was decided that they should guide the recording of these two songs. The studio was King Size, in Chicago, run by Dave Trumfio. Mike Fellows tracked the drums but Hagerty erased those drum tracks and replayed the kit himself. Liam Hayes played the Mellotron. Adam & Eve expressed a desire to bring out the inner Springsteen in Oldham’s songs. The front cover of the record sleeve featured a drawing by Jeff Mueller of a bird embryo. The back cover held a photograph by Oldham of land outside of Madison, Virginia. Lyrics to “Trudy Dies” were included on an insert with drawings by Dianne Bellino. There was a video made for “Come In” featuring animation by Bellino and 16mm footage of music rehearsals in the basement of David Pajo’s parents’ house.

The "Come In" single is streaming everywhere now.

Artists in this story: Palace Music

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 06:48 (six years ago) link

The letting go remains my favourite to this day

Eris (Ross), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 14:21 (six years ago) link

i am not reading that whole thing but THERE IS NO-ONE WHAT WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU is one of my favorite titles of anything ever

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link

SALVATION IS FREE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR93lB1_h0w

meaulnes, Thursday, 5 April 2018 11:44 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Unlike the rest of Drag City catalog, he is slowly adding his catalog to Spotify week by week. Everything (including singles) up to Viva Last Blues is now available.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 21 April 2018 15:21 (five years ago) link

Aye - just noticed Days in the Wake and Viva Last Blues, too.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 21 April 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link

Hope and the Mountain ep and a few early singles too, if you search the various Palace pseudonyms.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 21 April 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link

His recent Merle Haggard homage, Best Troubador has been getting quite a lot of replays. Odd how i find it far more rewarding to hear Billy than i do the original material.

bodacious ignoramus, Saturday, 21 April 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Arise Therefore, Joya and I See A Darkness have all appeared on Spotify, sometime in the last couple of weeks.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 12:53 (five years ago) link

favorite album: Viva Last Blues (More Brother Rides, New Partner)

favorite song: "For the Mekons et al” from the Hey Drag City comp.

nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 13:11 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJf2iY2Kbx0

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:48 (five years ago) link

wat

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link

Gotta say - whatever its "deal" may be, this song grabs me more than his stuff usually does (I've played it 3 or 4 times now).

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 21:46 (five years ago) link

heh

https://i.imgur.com/7WfC0br.png

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link

https://www.stereogum.com/2006096/bonnie-prince-billy-blueberry-jam-video/video/
"Per a press release, the song came about after Oldham and his wife ate THC-laced chocolate-covered blueberries soon after the false missile alert that was sent in Hawaii at the beginning of the year. Oldham wrote the song during that experience, and then repurposed it a few weeks later to help out his friend that was opening a weed shop in California."

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 22:42 (five years ago) link

lmao this is GOLD. thanks bill, you are the light of my life.

meaulnes, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 03:22 (five years ago) link

Nice

It’s prime time to pick blueberries n sell them at the local farmers market tbh

Ross, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 03:26 (five years ago) link

I smell a hit.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 11:40 (five years ago) link

It’s his “Margaritaville,” not in a bad way.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 12:36 (five years ago) link

I think it is terrific… I am not a scholar, but I can't think of a song of his that's even remotely uptempo, other than "work hard Play hard." Incidentally, the only thing that recommends the new right wing american character that Sasha Baron Cohen debuted on the new show (somehow he can't do an american accent for shit) is that its eerily reminiscent of Will.

veronica moser, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 13:45 (five years ago) link

song of the summer

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:17 (five years ago) link

i love this and indeed blueberries

ogmor, Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:21 (five years ago) link

I'm fantasising over this coming out 20 years ago and Chris Evans hammering it on the breakfast show, turning him into a one-hit wonder

PaulTMA, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link

i know it's Oldham and I'd forgive him pretty much anything but this has got my 'shit whimsy' Geiger clicking like mad.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:53 (five years ago) link

oldham is one of favorite artists but i ignore probably 70% of the shit he's created

marcos, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link

(Side note: hadn't noticed that Superwolf has made it onto Spotify.)

... (Eazy), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link

He's been adding a year's worth of output to Spotify every Monday.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 20 July 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link

I see a darkness is all time

Legalize dreams (Ross), Friday, 20 July 2018 00:09 (five years ago) link

this new song would be cornily endearing if BPB was a dad, but I'm pretty sure he isn't a dad

ilxor-com-dog-meat-drawer-7-840-x-600.jpg (unregistered), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:14 (five years ago) link

"Whipped" has climbed into my BPBPOV

rip van wanko, Friday, 20 July 2018 01:23 (five years ago) link

He seems like a person who is v. much enjoying life these days.

circa1916, Friday, 20 July 2018 02:26 (five years ago) link

The chorus of this song reminds me of the beginning of "Katamari On The Rocks"

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 26 July 2018 02:55 (five years ago) link

#noizeboardnostalgia

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 26 July 2018 02:56 (five years ago) link

He seems like a person who is v. much enjoying life these days.

https://www.facebook.com/taniavartan/posts/wedding-photo-of-my-godson/1170238706392671/
http://homecollection.blogspot.com/2017/04/oldhams-house-in-louisville.html
and yes I feel like a stalker

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 26 July 2018 03:26 (five years ago) link

The pics in the 2nd post were in a big NYT feature, so you could relax re: your stalker paranoia!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:15 (five years ago) link

i never tire of looking at photos of artists' homes

marcos, Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link

i never want to look at photos of artists' homes! it feels so invasive and gross to me. every time i have looked i wish i hadn't.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link


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