For all the tens of millions of college degrees out there, it is astounding to me how deeply ignorant college-educated Americans are about the structure of ordinary discourse. This includes millions of graduates with degrees in communication! I agree that anyone who can entice people to read about and care about this subject is doing us all a service.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 22 August 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link
Lots of people don't pay attention in their speech classes. I teach this stuff and I can assure you that not everyone is fully paying attention and/or retaining what they're taught. It takes practice. Reading stuff like this helps people understand.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 22 August 2016 18:15 (seven years ago) link
I always mix this guy up with George Akerlof
― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 22 August 2016 18:19 (seven years ago) link
The strange thing to me is that the examples he chose are so easy to interpret correctly that almost anyone who has studied rhetoric and the language of persuasion could have atomized them as fully and correctly as Lakoff does.
anyone who has studied rhetoric and the language of persuasion would be able to write as clearly and concisely as george lakoff? i...don't think so
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 22 August 2016 18:22 (seven years ago) link
I say "fully and correctly", while you say "clearly and concisely". This discrepancy exceeds to-may-to vs. tom-ah-to. Let's call the whole thing off!
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 22 August 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link
ok but you're still asserting that this is something regular people should be able to do, which is not true
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 22 August 2016 18:28 (seven years ago) link
regular people who have studied rhetoric and the language of persuasion
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 22 August 2016 18:29 (seven years ago) link
people who have studied rhetoric and the language of persuasion appear to be somewhat irregular these days.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 22 August 2016 18:32 (seven years ago) link
i'm doing my best to change that and to make this knowledge and information available to anyone who crosses my professional pathand i appreciate lakoff's writing because i can show it to my students and then discuss it. with any luck, they will pay attention and it will sink in.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 22 August 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
I have a feeling that your best will be sufficient to reach those who are reachable.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 22 August 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
have dems successfully deployed his advice?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link
Philip, the answer to your question seems to be no.
I dug this piece, which gets into why most of the press, the Clinton campaign, and left-leaning folks failed at understanding a lot of what's going on and how people think.
― (rocketcat) (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link