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capitalism has been one of history's greatest drivers of quality of life

ppl would be happier if they attended religious services more often

the #1 problem in the west today is the disintegration of communities / the family

Finding it hard to disagree with these tbh.

the main problem with religious involvement is the people imo. the church on my street that has a band that sounds like coldplay playing during services, and does a soup kitchen for the homeless, and runs a nursery, and free tax clinics etc. seems nice and welcoming and not stuffy. even if we ignore the fact that they're total bigots, the people are just awful. they come from the suburbs into the city to go to church - i guess because it's some specific weirdo prod denomination. after service finishes they flood to the local ice cream places in their suvs. they are bland. they are wholesome. they are blah.

The point of a revolutionary vanguard is not to create revolution, but to scare the bourgeoisie into creating a welfare state.

Frederik, you will like this section of this wikipedia article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Nations_Fail#Drivers_of_Democracy

You might like the book too but I dunno haven't read it

the people are just awful

well, that's people for you, isn't it?

Like who cares whether I believe? I'm just some shmuck.

irl lol, something v Jewish about this

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:25 AM (fifty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yep

there's a local youth-oriented church thing in my city that's similar, I think maybe they're not all that religiousy then I see a group of them studying the bible at a coffeeshop

super weird when there are two bible study groups of young (college-age to mid-20s) adults and they're segregated by gender. like, you're from the same church and all sitting there with bibles open, wtf is going on here

my belief is that youth-oriented churches are a corruption of the idea of church community because the point of the community is it includes the old and young alike and age is a really creepy way to divide yr religious community

there are many, many cool new wave churches around where I live that seem to be targeting a younger demo. I, for one, am deeply suspicious of all of them.

Yanks still fixating on religion wtf guys the world is yours

yanks took that seriously and literally now own the world dude

I guess the haters call this neo-liberalism rather than conservatism, but: I think identity-based politics are more important than class-based at this moment in time.

Also, and I know this is controversial, for all that I dislike Clinton's foreign policy and find her too hawkish, I still trust her more than Stein on this subject. And, honestly, Sanders.

Xp if u own the world hows come u pay us all the tax

I think you'll find we don't pay you the tax, hence the legal wrangling

We don't want it anyway

my belief is that youth-oriented churches are a corruption of the idea of church community because the point of the community is it includes the old and young alike and age is a really creepy way to divide yr religious community

― mh 😏, Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:25 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I thought youth-oriented churches were the ones with a mix if young and old alike, and it's other churches that are exclusively geriatrics at this point

it's a double irish arrangement foolio

feel bad for dear old ireland tho

eu should be ashamed of itself

xp

Nah, Margrethe Vestager ftw!

cheers peggy for turning a blind eye to tax loopholes in a country that needed a bailout

gotta love the socialists for keeping those in need down, but feeding them just enough swill to think they're improving

I can't decide where I stand on it tbh. Doesn't feel like tax swindling is a just or sustainable basis for economic success but......maybe it is?

children who regularly misbehave in school should be sent to work camps

church youth groups exist as a dating pool imo.

(something that becomes readily
apparent if you've ever been in/around one: they are erotically charged to a fairly intense degree)

yeah, that was the creepy vibe I got watching the two tables of coffee shop bible studiers interacting

reminds me of my college roommate who was raised very churchy who said that if you sat next to the same person at a college christian group three weeks in a row you're now engaged

lol my church youth group was quite small, all male, and any erotic energy was sublimated

dicks 4 Jesus

my belief is that youth-oriented churches are a corruption of the idea of church community because the point of the community is it includes the old and young alike and age is a really creepy way to divide yr religious community

― mh 😏

or maybe it's that many churches are so oriented around family life (there seem to be a lot of people who are not highly concerned with religion personally but are concerned that their children learn religious values) that people without children feel left out, particularly since they're a definite minority in most churches.

struggling to think of any actual conservative beliefs that i have (other than the good ones mentioned here about community/family/religion) that are distinguishable as truly conservative as opposed to just a general philosophical pessimism (hence the value i see in some traditional forms of religion). Is belief in "progress" still a Left Wing belief? Historical necessity? Enlightenment? Who believes in these things anymore?

Enlightenment in light of post colonialism almost can seem right wing! Tho there are left wing (antideutsch) who still use this kind of language from the left - though they seem troubling right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxRD0UvbpII

In fine with some animals going extinct.
Labor unions in their present state are causing more harm than good.
I think some people are just lazy.

i *think* belief in progress is right wing now

Right wing progress is shipping illegals to a deep part of the Gulf of Mexico.

the value of privacy far outweighs the usefulness/utility of social media (which also i detest/reject almost universally)

while i use the internet and air conditioning and whatever, when it comes to future technological advancements, i am only capable of anticipating them with dread

I welcome dread as the overwhelming emotion of anticipating the future. It's the rational response to unmapped terrain.

Here be basilisks

tbh I own books and save articles titled "dread exhibition" and "dread networks" and love music that embraces that feeling while treeship seems to be relatively cheerful, head-in-sand, sharing articles everyone can halfheartedly disdain while slowly shaking collective heads and ho-humming and bonding over how things ideally could be

Thoreau was the foremost writer of dystopias tbh

the value of privacy far outweighs the usefulness/utility of social media (which also i detest/reject almost universally)

― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

almost posted about this in another thread the other day but didn't for fear of being clowned. Mostly because obviously, nobody forces us to be a part of social media, but it's almost forced in some ways. You don't get invited to some events because a friend does all his inviting on FB and he forgot you aren't on it anymore and didn't call/text you. You're a part of a hobby/project that uses FB groups to document meeting times/important news and it inconveniences everybody else if you're not on FB. You find out about things less swiftly.

the whole lack of privacy thing became a lot more concerning to me when they no longer allowed you to prevent other people from searching you by name (encouraged stalker behavior, which has forced at least two friends of mine to change their real names to fake names on FB). social media was so much more simple when it was just MySpace and a fledgling Facebook. People posted silly crap and just kept up with their friends, much more innocuous.

4 or 5 years ago, I got a sizable raise due to joining a new department due to the dissolution of my old one. This was a huge deal because my debt-to-income ratio had been terrible to where I was losing money each month despite being gainfully employed, so in a foolish moment, I posted about it (without specifics, but mentioning a raise, which of course is a no-no cos it's private). I don't recall having any co-workers as FB friends at that time (though it's foggy), but I did list where I worked (which I now refuse to do). Somehow, a former colleague of mine somehow got wind of what I posted and made a stink about it that got back to my manager. Fortunately I didn't get in any trouble, but I sure didn't make that mistake again.

Checking in to show friends where you are is innocent enough, but can easily encourage stalker behavior (esp if you are friends with tons of people you barely know on FB). and now the latest problem is friends who don't know each other laying into each other in the midst of political discussions - there was once an argument that erupted on FB amongst an acquaintance of mine and a stranger which escalated to an outright death threat (which fortunately was not acted upon). I got accused of hurting someone's feelings last year for a thing I posted (to be fair, it was deserved - it was a dickish thing and I handled it quite poorly). My social anxiety and OCD is bad enough at the moment (I need to find a new therapist after losing my last one) to where I often react severely to being criticized or insulted (even jokingly) in an online setting, so I mostly pick and choose what I post lately.

But, with that being said, for a dude with crippling social anxiety, it also opened a lot of doors for me. one of my longest lasting relationships originated with a FB conversation. the ease of inviting people to things led me to organize events that I would previously be too chickenshit to do due to the rigor of mailing invitations/etc and keeping tabs of details. I gained several acting roles and musical gigs by simply paying attention, as well as being able to easily circulate portfolio. and because of my self-esteem issues, sometimes it has helped me kick off a discussion when I am upset with someone to tell them about it calmly so that we can then progress to discussing it in person. probably sounds a bit pathetic, but I've gotten a lot better since being medicated (still a bit 'damaged goods' but hey).

so I have to think I'd be worse off without it.

but I do worry about online privacy, particularly the longevity of the internet and how embarrassing content can have an unlimited hself life. There are posts from me using my gov't name on Usenet (a Metallica group) from when I was in high school still c 20 years ago chasing me all over the net. From when I was a Fundamentalist Christian. It's usually worth a chuckle. I'm usually careful to adopt pseudonyms and be very careful about the things I post that could be traced back to me.

LiveJournal still existing kinda amazes me

did not mean to impugn treeship's wistfulness, it is fine

I welcome dread as the overwhelming emotion of anticipating the future. It's the rational response to unmapped terrain.

this seems so absurd after having grown up on a stale diet of nuclear fallout fantasies and crazy cold war espionage films

creates cool mutations IMO

lol that is a particular specified dread, I just mean the underlying feeling that things could go wrong, but every day we act to live, not only in reaction to the feeling

it's like feeling that the road will be bumpy and we share this recognition and make art about it, but we keep on rolling. Cold War bunker ppl are straight up fetishists. I think the more dystopias you write the fewer you live

feel the dread, live the life

walden retreat and bunker ppl are the same in a way, retreating from the world instead of taking a breather and just doing your thing

People who don't read books are idiots

I eagerly anticipate technological advances in the future. Is that conservative or not?

Re: privacy, I'll gladly sacrifice it for convenience. I don't know if that is conservative or not either.

there needs to be a word for the cycle of denial, anxiety, frustration and acceptance we go through when made aware of new inclusive/pc terminology lol

I'm pretty cool about accepting these and suspicious of people who habitually refuse given the minimal effort it takes but I do sometimes get the (possibly reactionary) sense that too much energy is being spent on inventing and policing terminology that isn't particularly different to the old terms. I'm thinking of the time I said on here that I didn't really use the phrase "person of colour" as I find it a bit silly and awkward (which I only brought up cause ppl were acting horrified that some dummy had used the term "person of ethnicity" which is an identical construction) and I was straight up scolded by a white woman about how actually it's the preferred term among activists, actually

Or again recently when someone told off a (poc) poster for using the terms "coloured" and "ethnic", presumably as opposed to the permitted acronyms poc and bme & it's like what the fuck do you think the c and e stand for genius?