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lol my church youth group was quite small, all male, and any erotic energy was sublimated

dicks 4 Jesus

my belief is that youth-oriented churches are a corruption of the idea of church community because the point of the community is it includes the old and young alike and age is a really creepy way to divide yr religious community

― mh 😏

or maybe it's that many churches are so oriented around family life (there seem to be a lot of people who are not highly concerned with religion personally but are concerned that their children learn religious values) that people without children feel left out, particularly since they're a definite minority in most churches.

struggling to think of any actual conservative beliefs that i have (other than the good ones mentioned here about community/family/religion) that are distinguishable as truly conservative as opposed to just a general philosophical pessimism (hence the value i see in some traditional forms of religion). Is belief in "progress" still a Left Wing belief? Historical necessity? Enlightenment? Who believes in these things anymore?

Enlightenment in light of post colonialism almost can seem right wing! Tho there are left wing (antideutsch) who still use this kind of language from the left - though they seem troubling right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxRD0UvbpII

In fine with some animals going extinct.
Labor unions in their present state are causing more harm than good.
I think some people are just lazy.

i *think* belief in progress is right wing now

Right wing progress is shipping illegals to a deep part of the Gulf of Mexico.

the value of privacy far outweighs the usefulness/utility of social media (which also i detest/reject almost universally)

while i use the internet and air conditioning and whatever, when it comes to future technological advancements, i am only capable of anticipating them with dread

I welcome dread as the overwhelming emotion of anticipating the future. It's the rational response to unmapped terrain.

Here be basilisks

tbh I own books and save articles titled "dread exhibition" and "dread networks" and love music that embraces that feeling while treeship seems to be relatively cheerful, head-in-sand, sharing articles everyone can halfheartedly disdain while slowly shaking collective heads and ho-humming and bonding over how things ideally could be

Thoreau was the foremost writer of dystopias tbh

the value of privacy far outweighs the usefulness/utility of social media (which also i detest/reject almost universally)

― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

almost posted about this in another thread the other day but didn't for fear of being clowned. Mostly because obviously, nobody forces us to be a part of social media, but it's almost forced in some ways. You don't get invited to some events because a friend does all his inviting on FB and he forgot you aren't on it anymore and didn't call/text you. You're a part of a hobby/project that uses FB groups to document meeting times/important news and it inconveniences everybody else if you're not on FB. You find out about things less swiftly.

the whole lack of privacy thing became a lot more concerning to me when they no longer allowed you to prevent other people from searching you by name (encouraged stalker behavior, which has forced at least two friends of mine to change their real names to fake names on FB). social media was so much more simple when it was just MySpace and a fledgling Facebook. People posted silly crap and just kept up with their friends, much more innocuous.

4 or 5 years ago, I got a sizable raise due to joining a new department due to the dissolution of my old one. This was a huge deal because my debt-to-income ratio had been terrible to where I was losing money each month despite being gainfully employed, so in a foolish moment, I posted about it (without specifics, but mentioning a raise, which of course is a no-no cos it's private). I don't recall having any co-workers as FB friends at that time (though it's foggy), but I did list where I worked (which I now refuse to do). Somehow, a former colleague of mine somehow got wind of what I posted and made a stink about it that got back to my manager. Fortunately I didn't get in any trouble, but I sure didn't make that mistake again.

Checking in to show friends where you are is innocent enough, but can easily encourage stalker behavior (esp if you are friends with tons of people you barely know on FB). and now the latest problem is friends who don't know each other laying into each other in the midst of political discussions - there was once an argument that erupted on FB amongst an acquaintance of mine and a stranger which escalated to an outright death threat (which fortunately was not acted upon). I got accused of hurting someone's feelings last year for a thing I posted (to be fair, it was deserved - it was a dickish thing and I handled it quite poorly). My social anxiety and OCD is bad enough at the moment (I need to find a new therapist after losing my last one) to where I often react severely to being criticized or insulted (even jokingly) in an online setting, so I mostly pick and choose what I post lately.

But, with that being said, for a dude with crippling social anxiety, it also opened a lot of doors for me. one of my longest lasting relationships originated with a FB conversation. the ease of inviting people to things led me to organize events that I would previously be too chickenshit to do due to the rigor of mailing invitations/etc and keeping tabs of details. I gained several acting roles and musical gigs by simply paying attention, as well as being able to easily circulate portfolio. and because of my self-esteem issues, sometimes it has helped me kick off a discussion when I am upset with someone to tell them about it calmly so that we can then progress to discussing it in person. probably sounds a bit pathetic, but I've gotten a lot better since being medicated (still a bit 'damaged goods' but hey).

so I have to think I'd be worse off without it.

but I do worry about online privacy, particularly the longevity of the internet and how embarrassing content can have an unlimited hself life. There are posts from me using my gov't name on Usenet (a Metallica group) from when I was in high school still c 20 years ago chasing me all over the net. From when I was a Fundamentalist Christian. It's usually worth a chuckle. I'm usually careful to adopt pseudonyms and be very careful about the things I post that could be traced back to me.

LiveJournal still existing kinda amazes me

did not mean to impugn treeship's wistfulness, it is fine

I welcome dread as the overwhelming emotion of anticipating the future. It's the rational response to unmapped terrain.

this seems so absurd after having grown up on a stale diet of nuclear fallout fantasies and crazy cold war espionage films

creates cool mutations IMO

lol that is a particular specified dread, I just mean the underlying feeling that things could go wrong, but every day we act to live, not only in reaction to the feeling

it's like feeling that the road will be bumpy and we share this recognition and make art about it, but we keep on rolling. Cold War bunker ppl are straight up fetishists. I think the more dystopias you write the fewer you live

feel the dread, live the life

walden retreat and bunker ppl are the same in a way, retreating from the world instead of taking a breather and just doing your thing

People who don't read books are idiots

I eagerly anticipate technological advances in the future. Is that conservative or not?

Re: privacy, I'll gladly sacrifice it for convenience. I don't know if that is conservative or not either.

there needs to be a word for the cycle of denial, anxiety, frustration and acceptance we go through when made aware of new inclusive/pc terminology lol

I'm pretty cool about accepting these and suspicious of people who habitually refuse given the minimal effort it takes but I do sometimes get the (possibly reactionary) sense that too much energy is being spent on inventing and policing terminology that isn't particularly different to the old terms. I'm thinking of the time I said on here that I didn't really use the phrase "person of colour" as I find it a bit silly and awkward (which I only brought up cause ppl were acting horrified that some dummy had used the term "person of ethnicity" which is an identical construction) and I was straight up scolded by a white woman about how actually it's the preferred term among activists, actually

Or again recently when someone told off a (poc) poster for using the terms "coloured" and "ethnic", presumably as opposed to the permitted acronyms poc and bme & it's like what the fuck do you think the c and e stand for genius?

I get that there's often other value than inclusivity here - provocation, cultural shibboleths, narc of sd - just not sure it's always worth it

i think in general there's a pretty poor understanding of digital privacy and its implications among the general public, particularly the idea that it's an absolute, either something is "private" or not. i'm super amazed that people will disclose information to advertisers they don't trust the government with.

lol my church youth group was quite small, all male, and any erotic energy was sublimated

― ogmor, Tuesday, August 30, 2016 4:35 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they just weren't that into you

tbh I own books and save articles titled "dread exhibition" and "dread networks" and love music that embraces that feeling while treeship seems to be relatively cheerful, head-in-sand, sharing articles everyone can halfheartedly disdain while slowly shaking collective heads and ho-humming and bonding over how things ideally could be

― mh 😏, Wednesday, August 31, 2016 12:57 AM (eighteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I conservatively wish that i actually embodied this caricature.

sometimes I wish I could still be religious. i was brought up in a Catholic school run by a Franciscan order and they were pretty cool, they were hardcore about compassion and social justice and lived it. i became an atheist at 13 cuz the whole subjective/community faith ≠ objective reality thing that i've never been able to resolve.

I think my personal quality of life would probably be better if I were religious and part of a progressive religious community, but I can't get past the belief thing.

Have u considered Judaism

cannot recommend the application process at this time

Are they not cross-training mohels on anesthesiology yet

Oh here's an uncool conservative belief, I'm glad my genitals were modified as part of a ritual symbolizing my family's religious beliefs.

well when you put it like that...

I suspect that pornography actually is psychically harmful, and I dislike the extremes to which sexuality has been commodified in our society (although the second part is more from a Marxist than conservative POV).

But then liberalism likes to pretend that everything not liberal is conservative.

The problem is that most of the anti-porn discourse out there is terrible and comes from the wrong place and puts you in league with gross people.

Marxism would prob have pornos imo

Pornography in the Soviet Union[edit]
Pornography in the Soviet Union was largely suppressed until the final years of the USSR. According to The Pornography and Erotica Debate: USSR, sex in general was viewed as "a wasteful consumer of energies better devoted to the building of Communism." Genrikh Yagoda, the third head of the NKVD, was accused during his trial (besides espionage and high treason) of storing a great number of pornographic films and pictures. Such accusations were also faced by Nikolai Yezhov, who followed Yagoda. More recently, possession could get up to 3 years in prison, or a 3000 ruble fine. The 1988 Soviet film Malenkaya Vera was the first to feature a sex scene. The resolution on Glasnost stated, "Glasnost must not be used...[to] disseminate pornography" but by September 1989, calendars of topless women for the year 1990 were being sold in Moscow.[1]

i agree w/gbx's post upthread

guys just literally dont ever do cocaine unless you are comfortable with the fact that ppl's heads got cut off in order for you to talk too loud at a party about your stupid ideas

― jason waterfalls (gbx)

yeah completely agree with that, don't see it as conservative though, more like bad/contradictory thinking from people who think they're left-leaning.

yeah i guess it's an instance where conservative schoolmarming and more leftish social concerns overlap on a venn diagram of anti-drug beliefs.

Otoh I bet the overlap between people politically serious enough to boycott companies with bad ethical
practices and cocaine users is small.

I str8 up h8 the dutch

While I understand the political calculations informing the use of "undocumented" and support nationalizing most of these immigrants, I still get irritated when "illegal" isn't used. They broke the law, albeit a misdemeanor by not having papers.

is the objection not that the person may have committed an illegal act but the term "illegal" is used, in perpetuum to describe their personhood?

there's no way to know

i was in the unfortunate case of dealing with us immigration and someone who could no longer reside in the country legally -- she gained entrance legally and the only reason her residential status switched to 'illegal' was because us immigration is the biggest piece of fucking shit i've ever encountered

'undocumented' is just giving people the benefit of the doubt that they may be here illegally for reasons out of their control. that's not to say a lot of people didn't immigrate to the us illegally, but it's just tricky using a blanket statement to describe what varies almost case by case

actually, undocumented doesn't sound like someone is judging the reason you are still in the country or how you gained entrance, which is fine by me