well when you put it like that...
― ogmor, Thursday, 1 September 2016 07:20 (seven years ago) link
I suspect that pornography actually is psychically harmful, and I dislike the extremes to which sexuality has been commodified in our society (although the second part is more from a Marxist than conservative POV).
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 September 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link
But then liberalism likes to pretend that everything not liberal is conservative.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 September 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
The problem is that most of the anti-porn discourse out there is terrible and comes from the wrong place and puts you in league with gross people.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 September 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
Marxism would prob have pornos imo
― flopson, Friday, 2 September 2016 19:14 (seven years ago) link
Pornography in the Soviet Union[edit]Pornography in the Soviet Union was largely suppressed until the final years of the USSR. According to The Pornography and Erotica Debate: USSR, sex in general was viewed as "a wasteful consumer of energies better devoted to the building of Communism." Genrikh Yagoda, the third head of the NKVD, was accused during his trial (besides espionage and high treason) of storing a great number of pornographic films and pictures. Such accusations were also faced by Nikolai Yezhov, who followed Yagoda. More recently, possession could get up to 3 years in prison, or a 3000 ruble fine. The 1988 Soviet film Malenkaya Vera was the first to feature a sex scene. The resolution on Glasnost stated, "Glasnost must not be used...[to] disseminate pornography" but by September 1989, calendars of topless women for the year 1990 were being sold in Moscow.[1]
― flopson, Friday, 2 September 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
i agree w/gbx's post upthread
guys just literally dont ever do cocaine unless you are comfortable with the fact that ppl's heads got cut off in order for you to talk too loud at a party about your stupid ideas― jason waterfalls (gbx)
― jason waterfalls (gbx)
― nomar, Friday, 2 September 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link
yeah completely agree with that, don't see it as conservative though, more like bad/contradictory thinking from people who think they're left-leaning.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 September 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link
yeah i guess it's an instance where conservative schoolmarming and more leftish social concerns overlap on a venn diagram of anti-drug beliefs.
― nomar, Friday, 2 September 2016 19:28 (seven years ago) link
Otoh I bet the overlap between people politically serious enough to boycott companies with bad ethicalpractices and cocaine users is small.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 September 2016 19:34 (seven years ago) link
I str8 up h8 the dutch
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Friday, 2 September 2016 19:42 (seven years ago) link
While I understand the political calculations informing the use of "undocumented" and support nationalizing most of these immigrants, I still get irritated when "illegal" isn't used. They broke the law, albeit a misdemeanor by not having papers.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 September 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link
is the objection not that the person may have committed an illegal act but the term "illegal" is used, in perpetuum to describe their personhood?
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Friday, 2 September 2016 20:30 (seven years ago) link
there's no way to know
i was in the unfortunate case of dealing with us immigration and someone who could no longer reside in the country legally -- she gained entrance legally and the only reason her residential status switched to 'illegal' was because us immigration is the biggest piece of fucking shit i've ever encountered
'undocumented' is just giving people the benefit of the doubt that they may be here illegally for reasons out of their control. that's not to say a lot of people didn't immigrate to the us illegally, but it's just tricky using a blanket statement to describe what varies almost case by case
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 2 September 2016 20:39 (seven years ago) link
actually, undocumented doesn't sound like someone is judging the reason you are still in the country or how you gained entrance, which is fine by me
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 2 September 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link
Part of the objection to "illegal immigrant" is that it modifies the person rather than the act. It sounds like it's supposed to imply "bad person." Of course, you could make the same argument about "criminal" as a noun.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 2 September 2016 20:52 (seven years ago) link
eloquently said!
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 2 September 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link
thanks, y'all
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 September 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Friday, September 2, 2016 9:42 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Thats not what you whispered in my ear last night iirc
― Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 3 September 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link
This is not why I have you the WiFi code
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Saturday, 3 September 2016 21:49 (seven years ago) link
What kind of belief is "bring back conscription" if it includes public service jobs in addition to military duty? Is that conservative and uncool?
― Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Saturday, 3 September 2016 23:51 (seven years ago) link
i think it sounds collectivist and great. would have been way better than how i spent the years between 18 and 22, that is, learning to become a narcissist at liberal arts college
― Treeship, Saturday, 3 September 2016 23:55 (seven years ago) link
Man, fuck conscription. I spent four months underpaid at a tv station, had to wait a whole year before I could go to college. But that's not the worst of it, the worst was the final year of high school, where everyone was making plans for what they wanted to afterwards, and I couldn't plan anything because I 1) am a man and 2) started highschool quite young, only turned 18 in third year, so went to the draft in the spring, during exams, while most of the men in my class went in second grade.
Fuck conscription. It's bullshit and it fucks up young people's life in so many ways.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 4 September 2016 10:39 (seven years ago) link
Oh, no, you know what's the fucking worst about conscription? In Denmark, education is free, and most people take a long time finishing it. It's not that unusual to finish college in your thirties. So the government floated the idea to give people a bonus if they got done with college six years after finishing highschool. And I wouldn't have qualified BECAUSE I WAS FUCKING DRAFTED!!!
I mean, they didn't do it, and who cares. But fuck conscription, seriously. Fucking fuck conscription.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 4 September 2016 10:45 (seven years ago) link
I don't know any vegans who use cocaine but then again I don't live in California
― esempiu (crüt), Sunday, 4 September 2016 12:24 (seven years ago) link
A tv station
― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Sunday, 4 September 2016 13:15 (seven years ago) link
people that railed against that Wells Fargo ad ("Yesterday - Actor, today - botanist") were overreacting cos acting is a crappy way to make a living and half the 'actor' friends of mine who were upset about it have corporate careers.
and Rent is about selfish Bohemians who think everybody owes them something.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 4 September 2016 14:02 (seven years ago) link
re: conscription, hard to imagine a bigger voluntary waste of welfare and liberty than arbitrarily imposing that young adults not do whatever the f they want
― flopson, Sunday, 4 September 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link
If I had been conscripted instead of enlisting I would have come out with half of my college education already completed, assuming I chose to matriculate in a degree program similar to what I had trained for. This doesn't work for all military jobs, of course, or for all majors. As it was I went in with 2+ years of credits completed and finished the rest while I was in; got my B.A. the month before my enlistment ended.
I really appreciate Fred's perspective. I think maybe my truly uncool conservative belief here is that young people and their parents need to have a more open mind about military service, like, people who are not from families with a service history should all strongly consider signing on to be a perfectly good and worthwhile thing to do and not some dumb risky shit that's only for poor kids and ne'er do wells. I would really like it if military time was commonplace enough that people would stop being all ostentatiously fucking grateful about it. Sorry not sorry, that shit gets on my last nerve.
― Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Sunday, 4 September 2016 16:15 (seven years ago) link
there's a left-wing argument for conscription - gives middle + upper class families more of a stake in questions of war
― Mordy, Sunday, 4 September 2016 16:21 (seven years ago) link
I would really like it if military time was commonplace enough that people would stop being all ostentatiously fucking grateful about it.
there were Vets outside the Def Leppard show I just went to asking for courtesy tickets to the show for vets and kept saying "you're welcome" with a sneer to people who walked by them, it was a bit offputting
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 4 September 2016 16:24 (seven years ago) link
i don't feel too bad tbh i don't remember asking anybody to fuck up the middle east for me
― you can't drowned a duck (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 September 2016 16:27 (seven years ago) link
i'm glad i didn't get conscripted i guess but no conscription is a keystone of endless ambient war, shrug
― le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 4 September 2016 17:19 (seven years ago) link
Denmark only has peacetime conscription. No conscripts went to Iraq, only professional soldiers. It's meant to be defensive, but of course, last time we were invaded, we were defeated in six hours anyway.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 4 September 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link
people spend way too much energy on getting laid
― droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 5 September 2016 18:57 (seven years ago) link
variation on that: hook-up culture is bad.
copyright rules should be more standardized and enforceable.
― until the next, delayed, glaciation (map), Wednesday, 7 September 2016 18:09 (seven years ago) link
This is not so much conservative as straight up racist, but sometimes I think that people with passports from certain countries should not be allowed to open American bank accounts. Particularly Nigerians and to a lesser extent Iranian and Armenian nationals. Individuals from these groups generate a disturbingly high proportion of alerts for unusual transaction activity and are almost never cleared of wrongdoing in the subsequent investigations (e.g. every time their activity gets referred, they are in fact ultimately determined to be doing something fraudulent/illegal).
Their schemes are ALWAYS incredibly complicated, involving numerous relatives, associates, and domestic/foreign shell companies, so the investigations invariably take days to complete. At the end of your 20 hour investigation you will typically find the source of funds is... in order of frequency of occurrence... 1. scammed American elderly people(lottery/romance/whatever); 2. victims of tax fraud ("You owe the IRS $10,000 and must pay us now!"); 3. suspected drug money; 4. money being laundered out of Nigeria (oil/government corruption) and moved everywhere on earth imaginable before being parked in real estate or in an offshore account.
In conclusion, my uncool conservative belief/fantasy/death wish is that Nigerian nationals should not be banked in America. Thank you and good night.
― Gatemouth, Monday, 19 September 2016 16:13 (seven years ago) link
thank you and enjoy your FPs
― you can't drowned a duck (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 September 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link
does that have to do anything with that iranian millionaire living in ohio who was on welfare?
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 19 September 2016 17:30 (seven years ago) link
oh did these ripoff artists park their money with Wells Fargo?
― goole, Monday, 19 September 2016 17:38 (seven years ago) link
i don't think so
i'm referring to this one: http://www.wkyc.com/news/investigations/raid-targets-geauga-county-millionaire-on-food-stamps/315215814
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Monday, 19 September 2016 17:46 (seven years ago) link
I think Mumia is probably guilty and while there were some questionable details at original trial, probably doesn't deserve another retrial (note - not a belief I apply to other similar cases, just that one).
― Neanderthal, Friday, 7 October 2016 17:14 (seven years ago) link
treating dysphoric children with puberty blockers and HRT is unethical.
not being attracted to old or obese or disabled or otherwise conventionally unattractive people is "fine" and "unproblematic" and "not symptomatic of internalized gerontophobia/fatphobia/ableism".
there's something quaint and poetic about cleaning and oiling a handgun, engraving your glock with delicate filigrees and bald eagles, building a gun cabinet out of barnwood to keep in the corner of your man cave. is it worth losing a part of our cultural heritage in the name of gun control? yes. but something of marginal value will still have been lost.
― hippie lady from california who loves that god (unregistered), Monday, 17 October 2016 02:19 (seven years ago) link
Yeah you're wrong about the first one.
― slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Monday, 17 October 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link
maybe. I'm just not convinced that young children (and to a lesser extent adolescents) are capable of informed consent for medical interventions of that magnitude.
― hippie lady from california who loves that god (unregistered), Monday, 17 October 2016 02:45 (seven years ago) link
this is not about what's right or wrong, this is about what's cool
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 17 October 2016 02:51 (seven years ago) link
lol sry I got mad
― slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Monday, 17 October 2016 03:01 (seven years ago) link
pathetic esquire magazine fanfic at the end is the height of uncool at least
― qualx, Monday, 17 October 2016 03:04 (seven years ago) link
The bit about having some interest in/reverence for guns-as-objects has become somewhat more understandable to me when I contemplate my own relationship with guitars. I'm frankly a sucker for gear fetishism.
One can kinda understand how deeply a gun nut might just really get _into_ the history, peculiarities, aesthetic properties, and cultural resonance of a particular piece of equipment. How he might contemplate its power and its resonance, enjoy handling and caring for it, and strive to use it more accurately and maintain it well. (Quite irrespective of its capacity to, y'know, kill people.)
Just as there are those dudes who can glance at a Stratocaster headstock and tell you the year and place of manufacture, based merely on the serial number. People who aren't necessarily even serious musicians, they just love to collect and fondle and admire guitars. "Ah, I can tell that that's a '53; they didn't start using the bent-steel saddles until '54, plus that year's formulation of Fiesta Red is known to fade to pink rather than deepen."
(Or whatever, I'm sure I'm garbling that, but you know the type of knowledge I mean.)
― go get your winebox (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 17 October 2016 03:20 (seven years ago) link
I don't really want to wade into a debate about this, but puberty blockers' effects are reversible, and essentially just buy time for adolescents to make their decisions; and going through the wrong puberty as a trans kid can often be extremely painful.
― one way street, Monday, 17 October 2016 03:26 (seven years ago) link