I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM IS • US presidential elections part VIII

I'm finally starting to come around to this opinion.

I should clarify that I don't know if and maybe don't even think that Trump is actually as much stupid as he is probably incredibly stunted. His situation allowed him to basically stop developing as a person at a relatively young age and still be successful.

I think he wants to win the election, but doesn't want to be president. Though it probably has not occurred to him that they are not the same thing.

threadban Iago pls

go find a Pink Floyd thread to smear your shit all over

The story that appeared about a week before trump picked pence rings very true, where trump's son supposedly contacted a potential veep and more or less said that whoever was trump's veep would be the acting president, managing both foreign policy and the domestic legislative agenda, while trump's only job would be 'making america great'. I expect this is how trump envisions his administration, with someone else doing all the boring bits while he sits around dreaming up tremendous stuff, issuing orders to flunkeys, and cutting deals over the phone.

He'll be like America's mascot, pumpin' up the crowd, flippin' the bird at the opposing team. It'll be sensational.

Trump as the Onion's version of Joe Biden I could almost live with, if he had picked someone sane/not evil to do the actual work.

running a search for Iago's posts and looking over his (impressively consistent?) drop-ins on the election threads over the past few months is a good way to inoculate against the pungency of his trolling. He's got his kazoo and he comes along and drones on it every couple of weeks or so because HILLARY IS GOING TO LOSE AND HE IS GOING TO LAUGH.

lol yeah I must have been tuning them out cos I did the same thing and didn't realize this was a running dumbshit schtick of his

God bless the goddamned Onion Clickhole: http://www.clickhole.com/article/big-talk-trump-just-announced-hes-only-person-who--4809

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so that WaPo favorability poll seems more and more like an outlier (even they acknowledged as much). Other polls showed worsening numbers so I didn't think so at first, but they have Hildawg at -21 for 8/24 - 8/28, and a FOX News favorability poll of all places (8/28 - 8/30) has it at only -8, and Reuters and US Today have similar numbers for a similar timeframe (-8 and -9).

though the important data, the differential between her and Trump, is interesting - Fox and Reuters give him the best unfav numbers he's had in ages (-14 and -12), which would put him in striking distance of Hillary as far as "being less hated" is concerned. and then yet you have USA Today and Economist showing him at -28 and -30 in a similar time period, putting him significantly further behind.

tis why we data aggregate, but idk that the narrative that "her popularity is sinking" is all that valid, even if it has dropped a few points due to post-bounce dissolution

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president/clintontrumpfavorability.html

I'm torn between Trump as Kane - " I have always wanted to be president" - and Trump running strictly as petty vengeance for Obama making fun of him a couple of years back. Most likely the latter.

Clinton has said in the past that she backs a more militarized border—including something that sounds a bit like a wall.
“Look, I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in,” she said at a campaign stop last November in video flagged by the conservative tracking group America Rising. “And I do think you have to control your borders.”

She may have been alluding to 2006, when she voted for the Secure Fence Act. That legislation, which Bush signed, required 700 miles of double-fence physical barriers along the southern border....

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/01/donald-trump-s-immigration-proposals-may-have-a-secret-fan-hillary-clinton.html

important info

sit n' spin asshole

Clinton is Trump in slow motion BOOOOM

your ideas are silly to me and I would like to unsubscribe from your newsletter

@billmon1
"This election shouldn't be about ideology" - HRC 8/31/16

"This election isn't about ideology; it's about competence." - M. Dukakis 7/22/88

man the Clinton SuperPAC that is ILX really needs to take a sobering look at our lionizing of Hildawg, don't we

good interview here

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/james-carville-presidential-election-2016

Earlier this month you said that Trump was “pretty stupid about politics.” Can you expand on that?

Most people in life—and particular in politics—have an instinct for the kind of people that you elevate. P.O.W.s—most politicians in either party would say, “Oh, what a sacrifice,” you know? Trump attacks them. Or, most politicians use a baby as a kind of prop, if you will. But Trump’s instinct is contrary to making sense. His political reflex on some level is just nonexistent. He says, “Get that baby out of here.” I just kind of marvel at that.

@DennisThePerrin
This election is Nixon vs. Wallace. No need for Arthur Bremer.

There's 'weird twitter'. There's 'black twitter'. And there's 'Morbz twitter'.

lol

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-losing-garrison-keillor-20160831-story.html

This is my favorite thing in a while.

RE: the robert draper story, in which DJT Jr tells Kasich that they would like to make an offer for him to handle domestic and foreign policy while DJT "makes America great again."

Another way of saying it is that he doesn't want to be POTUS. He wants to be King.

https://whatimg.com/i/LWVGhR.png

This reminds me of the praise you might give a hyperactive child for sitting still (and not pulling on the pony tail of the girl seated in front of him) for several minutes.

"look, trump stood up before a podium and didn't drool on himself! presidential!"

I don't know why we'd really question that one of the biggest narcissists of our times truly wants to be "leader of the free world". That he has no idea what the job actually entails, ok sure.

Oh man this is ridiculous

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/us/politics/donald-trump-black-voters-wayne-jackson.html

holy fucking shit!!!

this is A+++
“If we are to make America great again, we must reduce, rather than highlight, issues of race in this country”

yeah that'll win over minorities

high-fives to whoever leaked this

To a question submitted by Bishop Jackson about whether his campaign is racist, the script suggests that Mr. Trump avoid repeating the word

"if by racist you mean I like watching NASCAR, hell yeah!"

Clinton camp is testing out shit she could say that would get under his skin at the debates. I know one thing that would fuck with him hard, and I hesitate to say this even anonymously, as this is an aspect of my life that I don't like talking about with my own cohort.

My father is member of several golf clubs frequented by 1%ers. These are the most elite organizations as such in North America: one is in West Palm Beach Fl, not far from where DJT has his own club and Mar a Lago. These men have not one single shred of respect for him, consider him an uncouth asshole (that's pretty rich coming from some of these men, Fox News talking point repeaters who I disliked intensely when I met them) and will never ever admit him into their clubs. It is obvious that he wants to be accepted by these men, who truly embody the archetype that he has enacted cartoonishly in public for 40 years, so he made his own clubs near the ones that will never ever accept him. Discretion is very important to them, and that he is a jackass at an unprecedentedly public level is utterly unacceptable. He will always be Queens/bridge and tunnel trash to them, yet he desperately craves their acceptance.

DJT sensed the weaknesses of his opponents in the past year and ruthlessly exploited them. Yet the Clinton camp would never go for the gut as he has every time he had the chance: "you want so badly to be accepted by the real rulers of this country. But they laugh at you, your golf game, your garish taste and your utter lack of refinement. they will sooner respect my husband, who they viscerally despise, than you." They can't do anything with that, but he would lose his shit for sure.

To a question submitted by Bishop Jackson about whether his campaign is racist, the script suggests that Mr. Trump avoid repeating the word, and instead speak about improving education and getting people off welfare and back to work.

b/c if there's one thing black folks love, it's racism being waved away in favor of the implication that all black people are on welfare. go trump!

"you want so badly to be accepted by the real rulers of this country. But they laugh at you, your golf game, your garish taste and your utter lack of refinement. they will sooner respect my husband, who they viscerally despise, than you."

it's true that this would irritate Trump, but no way could Clinton say it without looking like a patronizing, elitist bitch

she should just bring Eustace Tilley onstage to say it

Soooooooooo he's opted for a pre-scripted, private interview with the pastor because his campaign is uncomfortable with him speaking directly to an all-black congregation.

Beautiful. Just beautiful.

So far, Melania Trump is a bigger winner this year than her husband:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3769798/Melania-Trump-retraction.html

Meantime, I think these two are related:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-campaign-turmoil-227652

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/09/01/trump-enlists-veteran-operative-david-bossie-as-deputy-campaign-manager/

Bossie is the guy behind Citizens United. He also has zero experience with campaign management, I gather.

Stage managed to death.

The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding

I nominate this as the title of the next (hopefully final) election thread.

Fingers crossed he misreads that as putin

the Putin, as they say, will be in the pudding?

Heard Tim Donnelly from California on the BBC World Service this afternoon - his response to 'so many people dislike Trump and object to his stance on immigration' was laughing and denying. Hard to tell if he was that delusional or just playing his part.

He also trotted out that Trump would serve the interests of the middle class against one-percenter elites who 'control everything' (like Trump?!) and do the bidding of the poors on welfare and immigrants stealing jobs. That was one of the more openly fascist things I've heard a Trump flack come out and state, straight out of the Mussolini playbook.

The BBC host had to stop himself from being too obviously derisive.

one-percenter elites who 'control everything' (like Trump?!) and do the bidding of the poors on welfare

Ahh, the classic pincer movement.

The proof, as they say, will be in the pudding

no, the saying goes "the proof of the pudding is in the eating." btw, "proof" here is used in the sense of "test", just as it is in the saying "the exception proves the rule".