I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BOTTOM IS • US presidential elections part VIII

I'm sure Morbius has only ever "believed" in whatever reflected worst on Clinton at the moment, but he's had to be flexible as her various opponents crumbled and rose

why were you giving me shit about saying Putin *had been* a communist, then? are you mindmelding with batshit Mordy? xp

Wait, what the fuck? Trump is claiming Larry King )?) tricked him into appearing on Russian state TV last night? What the hell is going on with this election?

@DougHenwood
Hillary doing a national security event today with former Bush homeland security chief Michael Chertoff

Worse than that I hear that she's actually married to the guy that had the job before BUSH

this guy?

https://twitter.com/billmon1/status/774274505162227716

Billmon
@billmon1
Free Thinking in a Dirty Glass

ITT an adult human being repeatedly calls the leader of Russia "Pooty," then insults everyone else for whatever.

it's a riff on what W called him, you dear fucking syphilitic

Morbs appearances itt are perpetually one 'Property Is Theft' t-shirt away from replicating every freshman year political conversation held in every café in the US ever. Makes me nostalgic.

OL i like you but fuck you and what am i doing in this goddamn thread go watch yr Thrillary footage baseball is back bye

ok see you in about 10 minutes

you are so ADULT AND PRACTICAL go fucking work for the Great Gangster God like Frank Burns

I prefer your earlier, funny posts.

I might vote for her if Actual Hitler was running against her.

Might.

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Saturday, May 7, 2016 8:21 PM (four months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OL i like you but fuck you and what am i doing in this goddamn thread go watch yr Thrillary footage baseball is back bye

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, September 9, 2016 6:10 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If I'd not seen this remark and it turned up to be a q on a 'Who said it? Trump or Morbs?' quiz, I would have to admit defeat.

why were you giving me shit about saying Putin *had been* a communist, then? are you mindmelding with batshit Mordy? xp

I guess it goes back to that Greenwald article you linked complaining about the Dems + history of red-baiting/smearing leftists, which was p incoherent and relied on placing pro-Putin comments in the present with historical communist associations/red-baiting smears. I get that you understand that a) Putin is primarily an opportunist and not currently a communist and that b) you are angry that the Dems using support of Putin as a cudgel to beat their opponents with. Begs the question of whether you think American politicians being cozy with Putin is cool or not, or if you don't think it's legitimate that Dems should be complaining about the rather overt Russian meddling in the election. Seems more likely that all of that is just subsumed beneath blind rage towards Hillary.

xp

Oh, well if it's a RIFF, then . . .

ok see you in about 10 minutes

lol

Oh my God, Trump was on RT! LOL, the meltdown has begun...have a good weekend, ILMers!

I mean keep in mind the difference between Bush and Morbz is that Bush was actually funny.

xpost how about shutting the fuck up, dumbshit

The awesome thing about Trump on RT is clearly that his campaign claimed he was tricked into doing it.

this was a fun morning thanks all

handing out FPs like candy this a.m.

his argument that he would be a good and shrewd negotiator seems somewhat shaky if he can be tricked into doing something by larry king

Shit, dude changed his mind after an interview with wolf blitzer of all people

I'm sure Pooty has only ever "believed" in whatever kept his gangsterish pockets full, but he's had to be flexible as empires crumbled and rose.

OL i like you but fuck you and what am i doing in this goddamn thread go watch yr Thrillary footage baseball is back bye

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Friday, September 9, 2016 6:10 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Pooty and Thrillary are some classic Morbz nicknaming :)

I prefer Chillary

trump likes putin and trump was actually for the war in iraq don't seem like particularly fruitful lines of attack

the putin stuff is like a bad dream of pointless messaging

the trump lied about being antiwar stuff is near and dear to my heart (because it's really evidence of conservatism's wish to enforce a short memory on the country) but it's probably just as pointless yeah

he's a thin-skinned erratic racist seems better, and i feel like that will come to the fore in the debates

yeah that'll be the central thrust

Yeah the pro-Putin stuff is really just anti-Obama stuff (strong leader good, rarg). Calling attention to it may be okay up to a point, because it puts relatively moderate grownup Republicans like Ryan in an uncomfortable position. But it isn't a game-changing winburger imo. The stuff about when exactly Trump was against vs. for the war is similarly inside baseball shit that isn't changing minds in bulk.

Nicholas Confessore on Morning Joe today said that he got a letter paraphrased as: "I don't care whether Trump's qualified, I just like that he's sticking it to people like YOU." You, here, meaning not Confessore and by extension the NYT, but presumably also everybody currently collecting a salary in the worlds of politics, government, media, and the academy.

You're not going to overcome that attitude by demonstrating precisely when Trump flopped or flipped on this or that.

Are Trump supporters largely unemployed? Like, how the fuck do people who are brashly, incoherently contrary for the sake of contrarianism even hold down a job?

they're all on SSI afaik

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--l6TtRncv--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/h7yqb4tcehasm8a2s6qg.gif

I rewatched The Mist last night, and all I could think about was the unintentional allegory of Thomas Jane warning the townies about the monsters and the townies being all STFU about monsters man don't treat me like I'm stupid or I'll kick your ass college boy and then the townies get to watch their fellow townies get torn apart and eaten by the yuuuuuuge beast and they're all like oh geez man I'm sorry, I didn't know, guess we're all gonna die now.

The stuff about when exactly Trump was against vs. for the war is similarly inside baseball shit that isn't changing minds in bulk.

If one assumes most of Trump's votes will come from republicans or republican-leaning independents, then almost every one of them will have been before the Iraq war before they were against it, so they won't care.

before for the Iraq war

the majority of americans were for the Iraq war, it's hardly a huge gotcha

David Roberts found a great quote that helps explain the modern Republican voter/Trump supporters mindset. It has to do with rolling coal.

But to diesel owners like Corey Blue of Roanoke, Ill., the very efforts to ban coal rolling represent the worst of government overreach and environmental activism. "Your bill will not stop us!" Mr. Blue wrote to Will Guzzardi, a state representative who has proposed a $5,000 fine on anyone who removes or alters emissions equipment.

"Why don’t you go live in Sweden and get the heck out of our country," Mr. Blue wrote. "I will continue to roll coal anytime I feel like and fog your stupid eco-cars."

That many Americans reflexively take the position "I will do whatever I feel like" is hardly a new or shocking revelation. Even if you add that those Americans are above the age of 10.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/11/opinion/sunday/we-need-somebody-spectacular-views-from-trump-country.html

“Trump’s going to get us killed, probably!” he told me. “But I’ll vote for him anyway over Hillary. If you vote for Hillary you vote for Obama, and he’s made it impossible to ship coal. This place is about dried up. A job at Wendy’s is the only thing left. We may have to move.”

industries die. suck it up.

yeah I don't really shed tears for that many people who've been duped into making their living off something that is literally ruining the planet. wtf there are other skills you can pick up

Making some chemical scrub that would help clean the planet?

how dare you disparage the proud appalachian tradition of coal miners lung and getting murdered by strike busters

My kids are always giving me hell because I won't let them be chimney sweeps.

trump now blaming clinton for north koreas nukes even tho they intensified their program in 2006 because they were worried about a cheney doctrine style invasion

I don't think anyone can definitively prove that Clinton wasn't in Sarajevo in 1914. I'm just sayin'.