Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

OK, it wasn't in the Guardian, it was the Mail 10 months ago...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1033911/Could-make-love-husband-day-year.html
Exact same photo though.

I'm pretty sure the Observer or someone wheeled that out at least a year ago as well.

I am quite pro-Guardian at the moment for the way they are pushing the Tomlinson thing though.

Like most newspapers, the Guardian prints a lot of crap, but they have really excelled themselves with all the Ian Tomlinson/G20 stuff.

Eh, which is basically what Matt DC said.

Agreed, it's miles better when it actually bothers to do some, y'know, journalism.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/23/nazi-culture-film-hitler

from page of site:

Tanya Gold
Nazi cows, Nazi cats, actors playing depressed Nazis. It's all just Hitler porn and it disgusts me

Steorra
23 Apr 09, 12:54am (about 8 hours ago)
I know exactly what you mean, Tanya. I'm reading this book by a girl called Anne Frank and I'm sick of her constantly mentioning Hitler.

lol, pwned.

Manclad
23 Apr 09, 1:40am (about 8 hours ago)
I know what you mean. I keep going to watch zombie films and reading zombie websites, and I'm frankly sick of everything I watch and read being about zombies. What's wrong with the world?

You guys...

Dreagon

23 Apr 09, 12:44am (about 9 hours ago)

I guess the Nazi's were the last interesting Europeans there were. You gotta admit, you guys have become pretty bland and easy to ignore.

Besides, it's time to put the Nazi's in perspective. As bad as they were...Stalin and Mao were worse.

They left Gordon Brown off that list.

This disgusts me. It makes me wretch.

Good job subs. Shame you missed out the indefinite article.

how can she eat so many minstrels when genocide is happening right now?

For how much longer must we tolerate Tanya Gold?

She is terrible, like a bold child.

Who the fuck sucks a minstrel?

A minstrel's wife?

I have a morbid fascination with TG because I still can't believe she was shameless enough to write this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/jul/19/familyandrelationships5

I used to stand at parties drinking vodka, like a small Judy Garland, drooling at his Aryan blondness.

Hang on a minute...

Adolf Hitler himself could have written that

I find her a bit blousy and if she didn't keep mentioning Oxbridge you'd never guess that she went beyond remedial ed.

He had become beautiful: half-Irish, half-black

This reminds me, last night I was drinking with some pals next to the canal in Victoria Park, as you do, when this guy stopped and said in full Cockney "Is vat a Dub accent?". He then proceeded to tell us he had moved to London from County Meath in 1970, and he'd lost his accent completely because in those days you'd be beaten up for having an Irish accent. He was v angry about British oppression of the Irish.

Then he introduced himself. "I'm Desmond. IT'S NOT A BLACK NAME. My whole faaakin life people say 'that's a black name'"

I really wanted to reply "My name's Malcome Exe, it's not a black name!"

should have said to him "there is an old African saying..."

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/10/11/desmond460.jpg

did he mean 'Black Irish'?

Coupla weeks back, a black guy started talking to me on the bus 'cos he thought I was Irish then when I got off the bus this really small and angry Irishman came over to me and said, "Was he hassling you? Those bastards fucking hate us. Don't they know we're the blacks of Europe?"

I don't really know, we said Desmond is an Irish name. Then he began discussing Montserrat, where many black people are called "Paddy O'Reilly" etc due to slaves being sent there. He had some angry point about Irish slaves being worth less than black slaves which I tried to salvage with a "Oh I'd say they were alright!! Too fond of this stuff *points at can of beer*" but he was like "no they didn't have time for beer, they were working 20 hours a day!"

x-post that's robbed from Roddy Doyle, "The Irish are the ni***ers of Europe, and Dubliners are the n***ers of Ireland"

I didn't really feel the urge to discuss his literary references with him, to be honest

I tried to salvage with a "Oh I'd say they were alright!! Too fond of this stuff *points at can of beer*" but he was like "no they didn't have time for beer, they were working 20 hours a day!"

I hate it when people do this

"Was he hassling you? Those bastards fucking hate us. Don't they know we're the blacks of Europe?"

If you were feeling literal-minded, you could have responded with "no, the blacks of Europe are the blacks of Europe".

That 'blacks of Europe' line always makes me think "Why are you beating us up? Don't you know you're supposed to be patronising us about how we all like the singing and the dancing?"

so the small angry Irishman thought Tom was Irish as well ha ha

really Tom you must stop carrying that pig under your arm on the bus

it's always funny when you meet fervently "Irish" people who have lived in another country for the majority of their lives. if you met this bloke last night you'd reckon he was about as Irish as a decent transport system.

It must have been the Stephen Hunt-style cravat and cap that did it

Sort of overdressing a pig that, eh?

the cravat does impair the flavour tbh

fervently "Irish" people who've lived in another country for their entire lives are the worst

fuckin racist

Noel Gallagher tho yes

ah come on now

steady on

was mostly thinking of the Americans

you do get it with second generation English kids whose parents have raised them in a bubble of intense Irishness though

Was thinking about this a while ago after a) discovering that a local Irish-accented DJ/promoter who usually gets described - including by himself - as "that Irish guy" was born and bred in London b) listening to some Northern Irish people ranting about Shane MacGowan for similar reasons, but then I felt all funny, cz obviously I wouldn't want to catch myself thinking "how dare these second-generation immigrants still have an accent and play in bands influenced by traditional music" regarding other nationalities

(spelling out the obvious, sorry)

what's 'that irish guy's name', out of interest?

desmond

Stevie's link to TG upthread is indeed astonishing. What a wastrel, what a wanton, what a wretch.

That's why I was excited to read two excellently acerbic columns by a writer I'd previously never heard of