heh
― Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link
good one very timely
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:38 (seven years ago) link
also fwiw imo the discussion the media is having amongst itself rn re how to cover trump is extremely important and may save human civilization from violet collapse, even tho its "the media" criticizing "the media" which i know is hard to understand
it's very important and will not amount to anything because they aren't going to suddenly stop needing ratings/views/clicks
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 September 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
It's also a "discussion" that has been going on for like 9 months now to no avail.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 September 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link
ah yes clickbait lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:41 (seven years ago) link
yup
― Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link
my twitter is good content
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Friday, 16 September 2016 20:42 (seven years ago) link
still - I look forward to the tweet that saves human civilization from violent collapse, what a glorious tweet that will be, enshrined forever in the annals of human history
clickbait actually --http://www.adweek.com/socialtimes/files/2012/03/twitter-egg-icon.jpg
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:43 (seven years ago) link
*cracks knuckles* guess it's time for me to return to twitter
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 16 September 2016 20:44 (seven years ago) link
finally techbros will rest contentedly, secure in the knowledge that they have indeed made the world a better place rather than a non-navigable cesspool of misinformation, lies, and racism-filled comment boxes
― Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link
if you think the medias important you might want to also consider the fact that where they talk amongst themselves cld also be important, or maybe all the ppl itt who are all i dont really use twitter but these are my expert opinion on cld be right
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:45 (seven years ago) link
the boilerplate sighing and sarcasm i guess vaguely resembles insight if u squint or close yr eyes altogether
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:47 (seven years ago) link
kinda like your mangled sentences
― Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link
wow so rude
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:49 (seven years ago) link
if you think the medias important
― lag∞n, Friday, September 16, 2016 1:45 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
no
― F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 16 September 2016 20:50 (seven years ago) link
ok welp lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link
me, wise ilxor: posts political opinions on a plain txt msg board that are good you, stupid tweeter: my grotesque self-regard prevents me from seeing how good msg board threads about mark kozelek b-sides are. also im racist
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Friday, 16 September 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link
not sure who I am in that scenario, since I just said I use both platforms...? I just find lagoon's estimation of the importance of media folks' twitter usage overblown.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link
lets walk through ill do some numbered points for you, feel free to just respond techbro clickbait for extremely good media/tech criticism
1. the president of the usa is allowed to launch nuclear weapons2. donald trump is very close to becoming the president of the usa3. donald trump is a very unstable aggressive unwell person who is more likely than prob any other president to start ww34. we have a very perfect situation in the middle east for starting ww3 which is likely to provoke him5. a big part of his rise is the media are unequipped to deal with such a dishonest weird candidate like him, their usual way of covering candidates is giving his craziness cover, he to a certain extent has broken the system6. while theyve been discussing this problem amongst themselves for a while recently as trump has closed in the polls the discussion has increased greatly in intensity and is showing some signs of bearing fruit7. twitter is one of the places where that discussion is happening, another place wld be the new york times website, they are both websites and publishing platforms, twitter of course is a lot bigger8. twitter is not the only publishing platform that has changed the dynamics of the media/race, facebook upended the way nonmedia ppl consume news too
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link
the media is not "unequipped to deal with" Trump it fucking loves him
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 September 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
well thats part of it but not nearly the whole story
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:12 (seven years ago) link
i mean u can just be all clickbait abt the whole media and to a certain extent it is a service industry that covers what ppl want to see, but that doesnt nearly explain the entirety of their behavior, as painful as it might be its worth considering that their motivations could be complicated and multifaceted
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
the interaction of Trump with what were previously irritating but ultimately limited-in-their-harmfulness lapses of judgment by the media (both-sides-ism, toothless fact-checking, allowing media narrative to be sculpted by campaigns and innueno) may bring about the nuclear apocalypse
― flopson, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:18 (seven years ago) link
that is m/l my thesis tho obvs there are nearly infinite other forces at play too
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:20 (seven years ago) link
my media change strategy is i've been trying to goad local weather service bureaus into *growing* by making fun of their jpgs.
― savvinesslessness (map), Friday, 16 September 2016 21:22 (seven years ago) link
I don't think covering Trump saying awful stuff is what turns the polls, as people were saying during R primary (look at the enormous drop he took in his post-convention run), so much as a lot of the puff going out in the last week that really normalizes & humanizes him (Fallon, Oz)
― flopson, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:23 (seven years ago) link
i suspect that were going to see generally tougher coverage from here on out because enough of the media is sensible enough to be afraid of a trump presidency and were already approaching never seen before panicked rhetoric from agitators within media landscape
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:25 (seven years ago) link
What actually needs to happen is more positive coverage of Hillary and less coverage of Trump period. IDK if it's more the Clinton campaign's or media's fault that this is not happening.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 September 2016 21:27 (seven years ago) link
considering that trump represents a specific existential risk to a free press and is explicitly campaigning against them it's pretty silly that they haven't waged outright war on him. they were willing to sell all their principles to make some money off page views, but when it comes to threats to change libel laws, restrict access to press enemies, etc, that's when "both sides of the story" ideologies must be preserved?
― Mordy, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:29 (seven years ago) link
and by press i really am mostly thinking of the nyt. wapost hasn't been terrible. nyt has been just the worst. ap, too. npr - not great. all these voices of /neutral/ america.
― Mordy, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:30 (seven years ago) link
also have to say ppl scoffing at the power of social media is kinda odd, like yeah it might be often frivolous and bizarre, but these are the largest media companies in the history of the world by far, hundreds of millions of ppl use them (over a billion for facebook), of course theyre extremely influential
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:31 (seven years ago) link
I think there's probably something in all of this about the collision of a potentially disastrous election with an "old media" anxious about its continued relevancy and viability and a "new media" still feeling things out.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 September 2016 21:34 (seven years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsfPOAfVMAAf-V6.jpg
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:39 (seven years ago) link
https://cdn.meme.am/images/100x100/951.jpg
― nomar, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link
btw I'm not just talking about "clickbait" here I'm talking about the impulse people seem to have to need to have a take on every single word that comes out of Trump's mouth, while very little gets said about Hillary. I think some of it is just instinctive and internalized -- Trump is good entertainment, and everyone in journalism is, to an extent, trained to look for that, even if s/he also has higher and better aims.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 16 September 2016 21:42 (seven years ago) link
but also closer races are more exciting and better for page views and drive more eyeballs so stories that humanize trump and his supporters + stories that cast suspicion [sometimes warranted, often not] on hillary are good for business
― Mordy, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:49 (seven years ago) link
and reporters love stories
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:53 (seven years ago) link
of course most of the actual non horse race trump stories remain unreported
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:55 (seven years ago) link
last four posts otm
― Οὖτις, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:55 (seven years ago) link
sorry I had a conf call had to exit thread briefly...
it's kind of insane what kind of criminal mastermind hill has been even as she's passing away, murdering DNC staffers and bleaching email servers and what not.
― nomar, Friday, 16 September 2016 21:55 (seven years ago) link
dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏)Posted: September 16, 2016 at 12:34:43 PMlol flopson I haven't gotten any notifications so either I commented on a dead thread or he's blocked me in some way on fb now
it was a comment about this article: http://thebaffler.com/salvos/degrasse-tyson-kriss-atheistshe somehow missed the point and was complaining that homophobic, racist evangelicals are a much bigger threat than atheists so why are you picking on atheists
lol this comment just popped up on my facebook didnt seem nearly ban worthy, just a polite reasoned argument that disagreed w him wth
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 September 2016 22:37 (seven years ago) link
@HeerJeet1. I want to talk about why Canadian fiction has so many stories about people having sex with animals & vegetables.
― mookieproof, Saturday, 17 September 2016 03:59 (seven years ago) link
what is trump is so bad, him being president actually convinces congress to roll back the legislation allowing g the president additional emergency powers to send troops
then we should be back to Moreno votes and they can just keep overriding him until he pisses himself (on a day he forgets to wear diaper)
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Saturday, 17 September 2016 15:06 (seven years ago) link
more no votes, that is
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Saturday, 17 September 2016 15:07 (seven years ago) link
wish people would stop mocking incontinent americans. it's a larger part of our population than people care to admit
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Saturday, 17 September 2016 15:08 (seven years ago) link
hoping trump is so bad we just dont elect him
― lag∞n, Saturday, 17 September 2016 16:21 (seven years ago) link
yah
― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Saturday, 17 September 2016 16:48 (seven years ago) link