thanks, linee!
longer edits on the LPs is maybe a carry-over from techno (long tracks for singles, not-quite-as-long tracks for albums).. plus spreading across multiple discs (with 1 or 2 tracks per side) sort of invites extending them out. but yeah that doesn't really track with ambient music so much..
xxp he probably just doesn't think it's as good + didn't want to make/find new cover art that would fit with the other three
― brimstead, Sunday, 2 October 2016 04:20 (seven years ago) link
(wrote that last post b4 linee's last two posts)
― brimstead, Sunday, 2 October 2016 04:22 (seven years ago) link
Oh I want that new boxset will it be insanely expensive though?
I'm not sure if I really want them in vinyl as I mostly play them to fall asleep on long bus trips or aeroplanes... they're brilliant zoning out albums - in the good way.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 2 October 2016 06:11 (seven years ago) link
Gas
1996 - CD1996 - 3LP - Longer edits (each track close to 20 minutes long rather than ˜12)2008 - Nah Und Fern - Replaces track 1 and 3 with new tracks (track 3 weirdly being a different version of track 2 and 4 from Konigsforst)
Zauberberg
1997 - CD1997 - 2LP - Same as CD2008 - Same tracks as original CD but track 7 is quite a bit longer - 11 minutes instead of 7
Konigsforst
1998 - CD1998 - LP - Missing track 1 (as it is the also the a-side to the Oktember 12"). Adds two otherwise-unreleased tracks (a1 and d1)2008 - Nah Und Fern - Same tracks as original CD
Pop
2000 - CD2000 - LP - Slightly longer edits of CD tracks2008 - Nah Und Fern Same Tracks as original CD
There are a few of other tracks on Nah und Fern that are a bit longer than on the original tracks, the last two tracks of Gas and last track of Pop, at least. But in those cases they are only 30 seconds or so longer, so it's really just cosmetic.
I still feel the weirdest and most pointless change Nah und Fern did was the thing that was discussed in length upthread, the sound compression of Zauberberg caused by the remastering. So if this new box is done from the Jörg Burger remasters rather than the original masters (which I assume is the case), I strongly urge everyone to get the original Zauberberg too. The difference between the two is noticable even to people like me, who don't possess "golden ears" or anything like that.
― Tuomas, Monday, 3 October 2016 06:44 (seven years ago) link
Just when I'd decided I could maybe justify the £70 for the complete Disintegration Loops boxset, this comes along...
Though, to be honest, I can't actually remember which Gas I've got. Certainly Zaub and Konig on CD, Pop somewhere perhaps. Definitely originals. Not the debut, and not the Modern EP from '95 (have we mentioned that?). So this is mostly redundant, I think.
― Michael Jones, Monday, 3 October 2016 11:01 (seven years ago) link
"Have we mentioned that?" Duh, this was a poll.
Just dug out Zaub... and it skips on the last track. It's been looping a tiny fragment of the fade-out for the last five minutes. So that's nice :/
― Michael Jones, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 23:05 (seven years ago) link
this all made me listen to s/t which is great which sucks
― schlump, Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
Königsforst is pure magic, I completely forget myself when it is on at loud volume.
― calzino, Thursday, 3 November 2016 15:11 (seven years ago) link
After careful consideration I've decided to treat myself... to the WAV downloads of Nah Und Fern from Bleep for £12. I just can't justify that box.
(I've still got my skippy Zaub CD if I want the original sound balance, can't find Konig anywhere and figure I never actually owned Pop).
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 3 November 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
if you get a cd polished in a game store, does that cure skips or will that fuck it up further?
― Rae Kwoniff (NickB), Thursday, 3 November 2016 16:15 (seven years ago) link
It should help - but it is literally just the fade out on the last track. I almost kinda like it.
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 3 November 2016 16:20 (seven years ago) link
i've had bad luck with those things, been burned the only couple of times i've used them (and it was in a work context w/ a dvd, have never used them on my own stuff) and would avoid them personally
― marcos, Thursday, 3 November 2016 16:20 (seven years ago) link
I may even be able to rip it and burn it anew to CD-R. In which case, I can make my own little 5-CD boxset: Nah Und Fern plus Zaub (orig). In real paper sleeves, dead classy.
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 3 November 2016 16:56 (seven years ago) link
I can forget the box set when there's the Robyn remix. Just wish it would get a physical release.
― mmmm, Friday, 4 November 2016 07:43 (seven years ago) link
I don't know what's going on exactly, but these are the track lengths of the original, 2008 and 2016 cds:
title - orig. - 2008 - 2016gas 1 - 10:20 - 06:27 - n/agas 2 - 13:47 - 14:08 - n/agas 3 - 14:33 - 08:20 - n/agas 4 - 11:15 - 11:50 - n/agas 5 - 13:38 - 13:56 - n/agas 6 - 13:31 - 13:51 - n/azau 1 - 07:50 - 07:46 - 11:44zau 2 - 14:13 - 14:09 - 14:14zau 3 - 12:50 - 12:47 - 14:31zau 4 - 06:01 - 05:59 - 05:55zau 5 - 08:05 - 08:01 - 07:59zau 6 - 07:23 - 11:04 - 11:02zau 7 - 09:32 - 09:11 - 11:58kon 1 - 09:39 - 09:49 - 09:40kon 2 - 13:57 - 13:56 - 13:58kon 3 - 08:58 - 09:01 - 08:59kon 4 - 06:31 - 06:32 - 06:32kon 5 - 15:13 - 15:19 - 15:14kon 6 - 10:22 - 10:20 - 10:20kon 7 - n/a - n/a - 06:20kon 8 - n/a - n/a - 07:11okt 1 - 09:38 - n/a - 11:47okt 2 - 15:10 - n/a - 15:13pop 1 - 05:13 - 05:30 - 05:13pop 2 - 08:38 - 08:36 - 08:35pop 3 - 07:27 - 07:26 - 11:03pop 4 - 09:31 - 09:28 - 09:53pop 5 - 10:52 - 10:51 - 10:49pop 6 - 09:24 - 09:18 - 09:20pop 7 - 14:37 - 15:02 - 14:36
― StanM, Friday, 4 November 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link
god dammit, the box is sold out everywhere; my Amazon order got delayed until mid-December (despite being placed like two months ago), which I assume means it's probably not going to get filled.
― thos beads (jamescobo), Friday, 18 November 2016 23:34 (seven years ago) link
my good friends at m-theory music in san diego have one, if you don't mind paying shipping
― the late great, Friday, 18 November 2016 23:43 (seven years ago) link
lol i remember pre-ordering the nah und fern vinyl from amazon thinking "there's no way this is actually going to ship". sure enough, come release day it was placed on back-order with no foreseeable ship date. bastards.
― a but (brimstead), Saturday, 19 November 2016 00:41 (seven years ago) link
god dammit, the box is sold out everywhere
was just coming here to whine about this
― sleeve, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:04 (seven years ago) link
be quick:Kompakt Records at Kompakt Records.3 hrs · A few limited copies of the GAS Box just arrived and are available in our Cologne shop and online mailorder: http://www.kompakt.fm/releases/box
― willem, Friday, 2 December 2016 16:23 (seven years ago) link
gas more like (_!_)==33
― am0n, Friday, 2 December 2016 16:28 (seven years ago) link
THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU for the heads up; I was able to snag one and cancel my Amazon order, which is an immense relief since they never gave me a ship date (and it actually ended up being cheaper to just get it via Kompakt somehow) and I couldn't find a shop in town which didn't sell out immediately.
― thos beads (jamescobo), Friday, 2 December 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
The photo book included in the box is the cheapest default photoshop filter bullsht ever. Completely pointless and actually cheapens the whole concept. Music sounds great though.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 December 2016 20:03 (seven years ago) link
yeah there are some scary Discogs reviews re: fingerprints/dirt on new records, etc. and everybody hates the photobook
― sleeve, Friday, 2 December 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link
It's pretty amazing how they've managed to confuse and disappoint people twice now (by remastering the music in a weird way or omitting some of the original recordings or fucking up a 150 euro deluxe box set), when most of them would've probably been happy if they'd simply just reissued the original albums as they were.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 December 2016 22:59 (seven years ago) link
Thankfully I have the original Gas & Königsforst albums + Nah und Fern + various compilation tracks, so I don't need to pay ridiculous prices for a few extra minutes of those loops.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:03 (seven years ago) link
I just really want the two vinyl-only KF tracks and the Oktember 12" (and they even fuck that up in the box by omitting the A-side and subbing a comp track), the sad thing is that the box costs less than those two do total.
― sleeve, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:05 (seven years ago) link
So, has anyone managed compared these new records to the older versions? Are they the original masters or the Nah und Fern remasters or completely new ones?
(xpost)
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:06 (seven years ago) link
from the Discogs page:
Every track sounds better with this boxset over the original CDS and the Nah Und Fern boxset except track 1 of Pop. The Nah Und Fern version of track 1 on Pop sounds better in my opinion.
one person's opinion, but still...
― sleeve, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:08 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I get it, I can be a complete completists loon when it comes to music I really love. (And as nice as this stuff is, thankfully it isn't so good that it'd cause such an extreme reaction in me.) I just feel it's a bit of scam, because there must be a lot of people like you who already own some older versions of these records and are forced to pay ridiculous prices to get those couple of tracks they don't have, when Voigth could've simply just reissued the albums individually at a regular price.
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:10 (seven years ago) link
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:11 (seven years ago) link
agreed, for sure
― sleeve, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:12 (seven years ago) link
That sounds pretty subjective to me, I wonder if anyone's done a proper waveform analysis? I haven't seen any of the promotional material say they would've been remastered again since Nah und Fern?
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:14 (seven years ago) link
xpost
― Tuomas, Friday, 2 December 2016 23:15 (seven years ago) link
Note: This is an additional Delivery. A Re-press comes in February 2017.Hinweis: Es handelt sich um eine Nachlieferung. Eine Nachpressung erwarten wir im Februar 2017.
― schlump, Saturday, 3 December 2016 04:18 (seven years ago) link
grateful that I have nah under fern, that's all I need from gas
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Saturday, 3 December 2016 04:20 (seven years ago) link
All i need from gas is r e l i e f
― The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Saturday, 3 December 2016 04:27 (seven years ago) link
I've been on a major Wolfgang Voigt kick lately. The GAS stuff in particular is perfect for this time of the year. As of right now I think I have to go with Zauberberg.
― Dominique, Thursday, 26 January 2017 18:44 (seven years ago) link
I broke down and got the new box, everything was in great shape except for the Oktember CD which was ruined, Kompakt immediately sent me a replacement after I contacted them via email. Such great stuff, nice to have this in the non-tweaked Nah Und Fern versions. I just wish they had included both sides of the Oktember 12", but maybe one is just an edit of the other? Great to have the vinyl-only Koenigsforst tracks at last.
― sleeve, Thursday, 26 January 2017 18:47 (seven years ago) link
"great"
These are now available digitally, and on Spotify in the UK. As far as I can make out they are the same versions from the recent box
― I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
nice!
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
since my last post I have figured out that the other Oktember track is really just Konigsfirst 1, which explains why it was replaced with "Tal 90" on the reissue.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
New album! NARKOPOP
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:02 (seven years ago) link
h e l l y e a h
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:03 (seven years ago) link
N A R K O P O P
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:07 (seven years ago) link
wut
― marcos, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:09 (seven years ago) link
woah
― nxd, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:09 (seven years ago) link
i look forward to not being able to buy a copy when this sells out in 5 minutes
― marcos, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:10 (seven years ago) link