the alt-right

I forgot to cf rolling fedora

i've been watching million dollar extreme. sometimes it is really really funny, and sometimes it is ideologically okay (like the sketch about our shitty drinking water) and then they just say something openly misogynistic or racist or the sketch is just brutally uncomfortable. idk i'd like to discuss it but i don't have much to say. it's clearly unique, and sam is clearly v smart + funny, and also i'm disappointed in adult swim for giving them a platform.

i don't think fedora is entirely linked. there may be associations/links between fedora/brony culture and the alt-right but generally speaking i think fedoras are more likely to show up in cringe threads than be worn by hardcore white supremacists.

where is the alt-right music board?

I forgot to cf rolling fedora

― imago, Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:18 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

xxp counterpoint:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t4AcWFogD60/maxresdefault.jpg

http://boards.4chan.org/mu/

nb that i don't think 4chan is 100% alt-right but i think broadly speaking a lot of the aesthetic comes from there and there's lots of crossover. i wouldn't consider st0rmfr4nt alt-right - that seems more traditionally racist to me.

some of these shitheads are throwing a pro-trump art festival in my borough, i read on the hardening thread.

I looked at that /mu/ for one minute and some poor schmuck started a thread about how Esperanza Spalding, a black female artist, is really good (which she is) - devoured in seconds

I don't think Million Dollar Extreme is really a part of this

sam for sure is and mde board on reddit certainly believes it is

MDE absolutely is

They're an alternative to US right wing consensus - instead of being pro free markets, pro Christian morality or pro strong defense they are just pro white nationalism. This obviously isn't /new/ but it is untraditional in the US and has (and continues?) to be a marginal movement.

i would just like to point out that i wrote about these guys 4 years ago

Milo isn't alt-right. He's an alt-right wannabe / fellow traveller.

Oh, I thought he was a quasi-leader. I'm probably on way the wrong page, then.

sam for sure is and mde board on reddit certainly believes it is

my impression of MDE is that it's an elaborate troll on anything and everything, I'm guessing the alt-right probably has claimed him but I dunno if Sam has any real political views besides "lol"

politics for various alt-righters probably differ but on those topics i'd guess the majority are pro-protectionism anti-immigration agnostic on Christian morality (and in many cases ideologically opposed to religious faith) isolationist or in some cases extreme hawkism (drop nukes on the middle east). and of course the central component is defending the race against #whitegenocide. also jew-hating.

frogbs you've seen this? https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-alt-right-has-its-own-comedy-tv-show-on-a-time-warner-ne

Wait hold on, Breitbart is core alt-right.

i think the key attribute marking the "alt" (a p fraught and dumb prefix imo) is determinism.

xp

I dunno if Sam has any real political views besides "lol"

― frogbs, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:54 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god knows if i can or want to find it again but there are forum posts out there by him that are the now-standard post-libertarian line, like: "i used to be apolitical and in favor of freedom, but now i see that america has been ruined since the civil rights movement and feminism, it needs to be purged" etc

Wait hold on, Breitbart is core alt-right.

― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:57 AM (twenty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they are johnny come latelies

it's really not. it jumped on the alt-right bandwagon thru Milo but he started as just an observer and tho the alt-right will pretty much accept any celebrity legitimacy they can get, he remains a controversial figure in the movement (bc he's gay and jewish). he wrote this around the time breitbart began embracing the alt-right: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/ - where you can see that he's interacting w/ them more as an anthropologist than a participant. xxp

didn't realise that Yiannopoulos had jewish heritage

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/203888/donald-trumps-little-boy

frogbs you've seen this? https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-alt-right-has-its-own-comedy-tv-show-on-a-time-warner-ne

― Mordy, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:56 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I guess I never really followed the persona behind it too closely. I read a lot of that stuff as a parody of the alt-right, though I suppose at this point, what's the difference

goole you always amaze/scare me with your knowledge of this stuff

Dark Enlightenment feeds into this, right?

i guess my knowledge of this stuff is just unsurprising :p

dark enlightenment seems v tenuously related i don't think alt-righters are reading yudowsky or less wrong

k3v: yeah i still don't know what to think of it all

weirdly i can trace how i found this shit back to ilx! sort of. to simon reynolds, to marxist anglo music bloggers like k-punk, to the weird end of critical theory -- some of those people 'switched sides' politically, drove what ended up being called the "dark enlightenment"

xp it's bigger now that it used to be, lots of factions and true scotsman stuff, but i think "DE" is def part of it

this is the first ive heard of dark enlightenment

i want to know more but i aint googling it

cybernazis

Does Dark Enlightenment = neo-Reactionaries, i.e. people who are 'conservatives' in the 18th century sense (oppose democracy and egalitarianism, want to return to monarchy and aristocracy and explicit patriarchy)?

Because if so, that's actually kind of cool (as long as they don't gain any real power).

to the weird end of critical theory -- some of those people 'switched sides' politically, drove what ended up being called the "dark enlightenment"

who are these people?

yup

like i said about determinism, the 'enlightenment' part i guess is their justifications are scientific, not solely (or blended with) tradition and religion

xp ogmor: key guy is nick land

it's just a couple of angry media studies lecturers trying to blow minds with their edgy racism

Do any of them go so far as to fully embrace feudalism or do they still want to somehow preserve capitalism and the market?

re DE/NrX people

xxp the Spiked crew are part of that side of things, right?

this is a good thing from moldbug that goes into the DE ideology:
http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives.html

we discussed it a bit on the political philosophy thread maybe a year or so ago?

also these Slatestarcodex pieces are good:
(apparently the website is down but when it comes back up)

slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/
http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/03/03/reactionary-philosophy-in-an-enormous-planet-sized-nutshell/

i feel like with a lot of the dark enlightenment stuff there are good critiques of contemporary liberal society but rather than follow them to a reasonable place of like participatory dissent they move into this insane territory of 'well if things aren't perfect today that means we should all become monarchists' which is pretty dumb. i also don't think it's v related to the alt-right i don't think your average white supremacist alt-right 4-chan do-it-for-the-lolz poster is thinking very deeply about the philosophical underpinnings of his ideas. like you might think that DE is giving intellectual cover for bigots but i don't think those bigots want or need that cover.

Goddamn, that Unqualified Reservations thing is long and I haven't got to an interesting point yet.

oh god *deep breath* yeah there are still some (how many?) throne and altar european right wingers out there. or weirdo catholic sedevecantist types. that all precedes and doesn't really relate to what we're talking about here, but their basic beliefs about the world look identical to me. because of the internet there's a ton of crossover now i guess. the energy of an election season has run a lot of it together too.

an uhh illustrative example (and god forgive me, as many whacko blog posts i may have read, i don't know all the details) is a dude name mike anissimov, who worked for a transhumanist/AI think tank, then had some kind of scheme to set up a settlement in idaho to reestablish feudal hierachy after the US collapses, i think? so you have the tech nerd economy and D&D fantasy royalist stuff tied together with white power and antisemitism

At what point does he stop making dumbass red-state/blue-state stereotypes and generalizations and get to DE ideology?

xp

it's like 8 or 9 articles. i like when he talks about colonialism and the third world and the meaning of liberation/nationalism etc. there are productive contradictions embedded in left-wing post-cold war ideologies (like third world nationalism v. globalization secularism) of course you don't need moldbug to tell you that but he imo makes some provocative points. xxp

um - end of first letter beginning of second iirc? he spends a lot of time making spurious conclusions about crime in victorian england which is a bummer that scott addresses in his anti-reactionary faq.

goole: Wow

A guy in charge of catfishing Muslim teenagers was a white nationalist? Color me surprised.

Yeah when I saw “homegrown violent extremism” my mind jumped to the Proud Boys but of course you’re right.


Where’s that Thread of Institutional Rot?

Speaking of those creeps…

After a trial that stretched nearly four months, four Proud Boys have been found guilty of seditious conspiracy in connection to the insurrection of Jan. 6.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/proud-boys-verdict-seditious-conspiracy-jan6-1234723171/

I was very shocked to see nazis at my high school this weekend. Brookline has a large jewish population, I'm a little surprised these idiots were not confronted more aggressively.

Patriot Fronts cars are in BROOKLINE if anyone can get there. pic.twitter.com/61CjG4q5jX

— Lauren “Dumpster Fire” Pespisa (@SplendidSpoon) April 29, 2023

Wtf? At a high school no less?

Lmao someone posted the Proud Boys story thirty minutes after me in the US Politics thread as “Breaking news”. Why do I even bother. Anyway I appreciate you, Moodles.

🐦[Get a real job, Jagger … pic.twitter.com/qB6CLQ4wGt🕸
— Super 70s Sports (@Super70sSports) March 15, 2023🕸]🐦

Nick Fuentes got in a fight after being called a “cum hunter” for attempting to locate remnants his roommates ejaculate after discovering he had sex pic.twitter.com/STGWiXKvBw

— Right Wing Cope (@RightWingCope) May 11, 2023

🐦[Get a real job, Jagger … pic.twitter.com/qB6CLQ4wGt🕸
— Super 70s Sports (@Super70sSports) March 15, 2023🕸]🐦

Nick Fuentes got in a fight after being called a “cum hunter” for attempting to locate remnants his roommates ejaculate after discovering he had sex pic.twitter.com/STGWiXKvBw

— Right Wing Cope (@RightWingCope) May 11, 2023

Don’t know why zing put that first tweet in there

Got the moves like jagger
Got the cum like hunter
Got the jizz like fuentes

wait wut?

Fights like Joe Besser

Screw Musk on Twitter or Trump on CNN, that asshole clearly needs a weekly reality show/sitcom. Sitcon?

NEW @RichardHanania is a right-wing star. A @UTAustin scholar, his fans include JD Vance, Thiel, Musk, Sacks, Rufo. @HarperCollins will publish his book "The Origins of Woke"

HuffPost found he used a pseudonym for yrs to write for white supremacist sites https://t.co/NOPSmIc0vH

— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) August 4, 2023

That pseudonym? John Barron.

In his own way he's just trying to emulate the journey from mafioso to licensed casino owner.

Oh, so that's why he was always wearing a hat

Seeking leniency at sentencing in seditious conspiracy case, defense asks judge to consider Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio's detention.. arguing the "isolation has impacted his mental health.. he has seemed very anxious during recent jail visits or telephone conversations" pic.twitter.com/GO2OBKp4Yx

— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) August 18, 2023

David Cross noooooooooo

I love how these tin soldiers go to pieces while incarcerated.

This fuckin country

“We have got 360 security right now, so we’re just covering all angles” Mike Dunn explained of the various positions taken up by militia members outside the education center, where ‘Boogaloo Boys’ gathered today in response to four individuals being charged with carrying a… pic.twitter.com/AdM5x7GpHI

— Brendan Gutenschwager (@BGOnTheScene) August 20, 2023

something really disturbing is happening in this country, I genuinely feel government has broken down and we are near Mad Max conditions--why aren't these fuckin' guys disarmed and declared terrorist groups? The government can't even assert its own monopoly on violence. One bright spot is the vigorous prosecution of Jan 6 people, I have to admit.

the foundation of the monopoly on violence is white supremacy

Meanwhile, and, unfortunately, probably not totally unrelated, a bomb threat was called in to (checks notes) “all over Cook county’s highways and librarys." I don't know what to make of the highway part, but there are 73 libraries in Cook County. They closed all of our libraries today out of an abundance of caution, but clearly all it takes are a few seconds of assholery to essentially cause state-wide chaos.

yeah they've been pretty serious about the J6 stuff, which actually gives me hope that Trump might actually see jail time, for despite their built in political advantages and the fact that the police tend to be on their side it does seem like the criminal justice system takes this shit seriously

xp Josh - yeah, that's a scary threat, especially coming a day after threats to specific libraries in other northern suburbs. didn't realize the threat you mention was an entirely different one, wtf is wrong with people?

Our local paper reported:

A threat of explosions across Cook County highways and libraries caused the Oak Park Public Library to close Monday. Library officials promptly called the Oak Park Police Department after the threat was received at 7 p.m., Sunday night through the contact page on the OPPL website. A police report has been filed.

“There will be a big explosion all over Cook county’s highways and librarys including Chicago gurnee and oak park. It will explode sometime tomorrow 8/21/2023,” the threat reads.

Gurnee was not the only northern suburb to receive such a threat, but Oak Park appears to be the only western suburb at this time. Several libraries across the northern suburbs received similar threats on Aug. 17, including in Morton Grove, Park Ridge and Wilmette. No explosives were ever found or detonated, according to Dan Yopchick, spokesperson of the Village of Oak Park.

instead we get the heckler's veto on civic life and public goods

Not sure this is the best thread for it, but since we had some discussions about this upthread... another round of bomb threats against local libraries, including the one in my city:

https://www.wbez.org/stories/libraries-in-chicago-suburbs-receive-bomb-threats/96196768-b467-4e75-bf13-dda8eee99ba8

Libraries in Chicago and surrounding suburbs were closed Tuesday after receiving bomb threats.

An employee at the Harold Washington Library Center, 400 S. State St., received an anonymous email saying that there was a bomb inside the building, Chicago police said. A bomb squad and canine units were sent to do a sweep of the building at about 3:50 p.m. but did not find any sign of a threat.