the alt-right

i'll look into platypus tho. is it some kind of laschian class/econ left + social right kind of thing?

social right in effect but i do think there's a meaningful difference between 'cultural memes' and 'human biodiversity' even tho i realize most ppl feel the former is just a more acceptable wrapper for the same stuff the latter is doing

Alt-right now, baby, it's the alt-right now

Can we label the pricks at Spiked!/LM the alt-left? Because they are still very much around, and use many of the same tactics as the alt-right.

Spiked are left-wing now?

the alt-left is a pretty big movement though - in essence (imo) they're lefties (usually full communists) who hate safe spaces and *hate* gender politics and really don't have time for identity politics of any kind except class. think this has been covered upthread though

Isn't that just the orthodox Marxist left tho

Like paleo-Left

i guess, but willing to believe there's a significant wing of them that loves the internet and all it can be used for

read that as "the pricks of Spiked!/ILM". I don't think that anyone outside of that group really thinks of the Furedists as being part of the left anymore, and even when Brendan O'Neill describes himself as a marxist it seems to mainly be for trolling purposes or nostalgia for youthful radicalism afaict?

weird thing about them suposedly being marxists is that the Spiked online people generally have little or nothing to say about economics from what I've seen, it's all culture wars stuff

Their economic take is supposedly "support extreme version of free market -> encourage hyperinflation -> capitalism collapses -> le socialist revolution", but they're as keen to talk about it as Scientologists are to chat about Xenu, so who knows.

just looked at Spiked for the first time in ages to check if their "ppl who are offended by Trump's 'grab them by the pussy' comments are reactionary misanthropic prudes" thinkpiece has gone live yet, but there seems to be some unaccountable delay.

holy shit i had no idea until right now that one of old c.c.r.u. dudes was a major alt-right figurehead.

― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, October 7, 2016 7:25 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Who does this allude to?

Nick Land, presumably?

Oh I see, gotcha

SSC's summary of NRx turns out to be more readable than the Moldbug original.

The way he presents it, the argument seems riddled with holes, though, even the critique of progressive hegemony part (although I acknowledge that he's not an actual NRx guy himself). The Noam Chomsky example is odd since (unlike e.g. Milton Friedman or Henry Kissinger) Chomsky did not get a professorship or 'get rich' because of his social/political commentary (which is essentially done in his free time) but for his work in linguistics. His influence on actual governments in the world is probably negligible compared to the other two examples, who are not progressives, or are at the least not as progressive. Even Philippe Rushton enjoyed a successful academic career arguing explicitly racist views in the actual academic work he was paid to do. And if we assume that Chomsky is indulged because he says "we need to be more liberal/progressive/democratic", reinforcing the progressive tendencies of post-Enlightenment Western society, surely someone in the Stalinist USSR who published the equivalent, i.e. articles saying "Stalin isn't a real Communist! We need to be much more truly Communist" would not have been indulged. This is more or less what the Plastic People of the Universe did in 70s Czechoslovakia and they were imprisoned and censored. #toomuchtimeonmyhands

Bot for the lolz:

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/7/13202794/arguetron-twitter-bot-alt-right-internet-bigots-4chan-sarah-nyberg

I watched some MDE and apart from a bit of liberal baiting, theres nothing obv right wing about it. kind of going for that dark sinister surrealism thats adult swim's stock in trade but MDE isnt all that funny

maybe you didn't watch enough if you didn't notice anything right wing about it

yeah maybe. its godawful either way

Bot for the lolz:

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/7/13202794/arguetron-twitter-bot-alt-right-internet-bigots-4chan-sarah-nyberg

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, October 8, 2016 2:50 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lololol @ "dreamcast was the best console"

A Facebook friend I met backpacking around a decade ago. He seemed moreorless alright at the time. This is his (cropped) current profile picture. Should I unfriend or do I wait around for insights into the deplorables?

http://i.imgur.com/2t6vZ5I.jpg

That facial hair is unacceptable on its own.

you get off facebook forever imo

I've heard that the alt-right is increasingly turning against Milo for being too Jewish.

I've got a theory that they are actually part of the main audience for cuckold porn, with the racism, the staggering insecurity about their masculinity, women as either cheating ice queen megabitches or vulnerable property to be degraded.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3572882/milo-yiannopoulos-buying-4chan-alt-right-superstar-plans-to-make-offer-that-could-save-image-sharing-board-from-closing-down/

surely if 4chan folds it will be because of the will of free markets?

Unnamed "wealthy financier" = Martin Shkreli? 4chan dream team

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/09/call-me-a-racist-but-dont-say-im-a-buddhist-meet-the-alt-right

why are the guardian always telling me to meet people

v intolerant of u to not want some alt-right pals

i have some philosophy pals who are in regular contact with nick land, not about his lovely 'hyperracism' stuff but it's nevertheless an odd and worrying thing when reasonable and nice people still think he's an acceptable person to be engaging with and promoting

I've got a theory that they are actually part of the main audience for cuckold porn, with the racism, the staggering insecurity about their masculinity, women as either cheating ice queen megabitches or vulnerable property to be degraded.

I just assumed this was the case. I need a US map with overlay of cuckold porn popularity stat.

Cuckold not featured but it's amazing that the most popular are either incest, cartoons or not involving men.

http://cdn1b.static.pornhub.phncdn.com/insights-static//wp-content/uploads/2016/02/pornhub-insights-us-top-search-terms-map.png

why are the guardian always telling me to meet people

― Har-@-Iago (wins), Sunday, 9 October 2016 12:42 (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They're worried about you, are you eating right

Xp that is a srsly boring map tbh I mean lesbian porn, rly, entrylev

I wonder if Trump has inspired greater interest in incest porn, or if the American taste for incest porn explains Trump. Questions.

Maybe to generalize it more, the American ethic of power exploitation wearing the veneer of family and love. America as a country, the mother/father, exploiting its own sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, offering a hand that says love, but wants something else. /trenchant

>I've heard that the alt-right is increasingly turning against Milo for being too Jewish.

The alt right never totally accepted Milo, it's the other way around. He's piggybacking on it. The right is gaining countercultural currency (the left = the new soccermoms) and Milo sees a market in that.

But at the end of the day he's principally a cultural libertarian. His politics are really just garden-variety "right on maaaan" level stuff, except unlike most libs he's not a hypocrite and takes it to its logical conclusion and rejects extreme conservative ideologies like Islam (as Islam works in execution anywhere it gains a foothold).

But he's a liberal. The alt-right is at core NOT liberal. Like any loud new movement the alt-right's message is foggy but at its core there's this rejection modernity and egalitarianism that's radical and heretical to contemporary culture way beyond Milo's most "offensive" statements. Milo doesn't wanna go back to pre-Enlightenment thinking, a big chunk of the alt-right does. They'll use each other while it's convenient but one of these days they'll see each other for what they really are, bitter enemies.

>I've got a theory that they are actually part of the main audience for cuckold porn, with the racism, the staggering insecurity about their masculinity, women as either cheating ice queen megabitches or vulnerable property to be degraded.

I think it's more benign than that. What we're seeing is the first generation of men to try to reclaim masculinity--years ago, DENYING masculinity was an act of rebellion, now it's the other way around--but it's an alien thing to these sheltered young men raised by single parents and they've kinda got sea legs. So they overcompensate, fake it until they make it. The more nauseating/cringey elements of the culture, like the whole MRA/redpill world, are a symptom of that.

http://inthesetimes.com/images/BreitbartAltRight.jpg

i found that image on in these times but apparently it comes from breitbart. they've been basically "at war" with the GOP for a while so people shouldn't have been surprised at trump's actions today.

Sry punksishippies masculinity is poison and needs to be demolished.

The Intellectuals
These, according to Breitbart, are what separates the alt-right “above all else” from “from old-school racist skinheads (to whom they are often idiotically compared)”: They “are a much smarter group of people … They’re dangerously bright.”

First noted among these geniuses is Richard Spencer, whose AlternativeRight.com website is described as hosting “an eclectic mix of renegades who objected to the established political consensus in some form or another.” The hategroup-tracking Southern Poverty Law Center describes him as “one of the country’s most successful young white nationalist leaders,” who’s prone to saying things like, “Our dream is a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans.” He rejects the word “racist” because it’s “pejorative,” but “the notion that these people can be equal is not a scientific way of looking at it.”

holy shit

yup, old image--the republicans were looking for a chance to disavow Trump and the pussygrab tape was as good of an excuse as any.

Forgot to add this to earlier ramblings:
The long and short of it is: the majority of them are just white guys who, in the absence of any socially acceptable way to do the normal teenage thing and dip their toes into self-empowerment (cuz they’re ~fucking white males~ obvs), have latched onto the first one to gain a little bit of traction. I mean it's so fucking inevitable, it blows my mind anyone is surprised. Like most people who play around with edgy ideas early in life, the bulk of them will retain anything healthy they get out of it, discard the rest, grow up and come out more mature (and the small percentage that doesn't will turn into the male equivalent of cat ladies). They'll grow up, maybe less left-leaning than some of you would like, but oh well, the pendulum is swinging back.

no one should be allowed on the internet until the age of 21

like, it's bad that these maladjusted adolescents, experiencing romantic frustrations for the first time etc, can so easily get swept up in the redpill world. there has always been misogyny around -- it's always been a thing teen white males would sometimes indulge in, as a phase -- but this ideological misogyny is like, weaponized and it scares me. i'm scared of a lot of things though.

(cuz they’re ~fucking white males~ obvs)

Are you posting from the dystopian feminazi future? What's the coffee like?

didn't realise punksishippies is tyler durden, it makes a lot more sense now

just white guys who, in the absence of any socially acceptable way to do the normal teenage thing and dip their toes into self-empowerment (cuz they’re ~fucking white males~ obvs),

I don't get it, what is it about being a white male that means they can't do the 'normal teenage thing'? Like they can't take drugs because of fussy parents or something?