the alt-right

http://www.inquisitr.com/3572882/milo-yiannopoulos-buying-4chan-alt-right-superstar-plans-to-make-offer-that-could-save-image-sharing-board-from-closing-down/

surely if 4chan folds it will be because of the will of free markets?

Unnamed "wealthy financier" = Martin Shkreli? 4chan dream team

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/09/call-me-a-racist-but-dont-say-im-a-buddhist-meet-the-alt-right

why are the guardian always telling me to meet people

v intolerant of u to not want some alt-right pals

i have some philosophy pals who are in regular contact with nick land, not about his lovely 'hyperracism' stuff but it's nevertheless an odd and worrying thing when reasonable and nice people still think he's an acceptable person to be engaging with and promoting

I've got a theory that they are actually part of the main audience for cuckold porn, with the racism, the staggering insecurity about their masculinity, women as either cheating ice queen megabitches or vulnerable property to be degraded.

I just assumed this was the case. I need a US map with overlay of cuckold porn popularity stat.

Cuckold not featured but it's amazing that the most popular are either incest, cartoons or not involving men.

http://cdn1b.static.pornhub.phncdn.com/insights-static//wp-content/uploads/2016/02/pornhub-insights-us-top-search-terms-map.png

why are the guardian always telling me to meet people

― Har-@-Iago (wins), Sunday, 9 October 2016 12:42 (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They're worried about you, are you eating right

Xp that is a srsly boring map tbh I mean lesbian porn, rly, entrylev

I wonder if Trump has inspired greater interest in incest porn, or if the American taste for incest porn explains Trump. Questions.

Maybe to generalize it more, the American ethic of power exploitation wearing the veneer of family and love. America as a country, the mother/father, exploiting its own sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, offering a hand that says love, but wants something else. /trenchant

>I've heard that the alt-right is increasingly turning against Milo for being too Jewish.

The alt right never totally accepted Milo, it's the other way around. He's piggybacking on it. The right is gaining countercultural currency (the left = the new soccermoms) and Milo sees a market in that.

But at the end of the day he's principally a cultural libertarian. His politics are really just garden-variety "right on maaaan" level stuff, except unlike most libs he's not a hypocrite and takes it to its logical conclusion and rejects extreme conservative ideologies like Islam (as Islam works in execution anywhere it gains a foothold).

But he's a liberal. The alt-right is at core NOT liberal. Like any loud new movement the alt-right's message is foggy but at its core there's this rejection modernity and egalitarianism that's radical and heretical to contemporary culture way beyond Milo's most "offensive" statements. Milo doesn't wanna go back to pre-Enlightenment thinking, a big chunk of the alt-right does. They'll use each other while it's convenient but one of these days they'll see each other for what they really are, bitter enemies.

>I've got a theory that they are actually part of the main audience for cuckold porn, with the racism, the staggering insecurity about their masculinity, women as either cheating ice queen megabitches or vulnerable property to be degraded.

I think it's more benign than that. What we're seeing is the first generation of men to try to reclaim masculinity--years ago, DENYING masculinity was an act of rebellion, now it's the other way around--but it's an alien thing to these sheltered young men raised by single parents and they've kinda got sea legs. So they overcompensate, fake it until they make it. The more nauseating/cringey elements of the culture, like the whole MRA/redpill world, are a symptom of that.

http://inthesetimes.com/images/BreitbartAltRight.jpg

i found that image on in these times but apparently it comes from breitbart. they've been basically "at war" with the GOP for a while so people shouldn't have been surprised at trump's actions today.

Sry punksishippies masculinity is poison and needs to be demolished.

The Intellectuals
These, according to Breitbart, are what separates the alt-right “above all else” from “from old-school racist skinheads (to whom they are often idiotically compared)”: They “are a much smarter group of people … They’re dangerously bright.”

First noted among these geniuses is Richard Spencer, whose AlternativeRight.com website is described as hosting “an eclectic mix of renegades who objected to the established political consensus in some form or another.” The hategroup-tracking Southern Poverty Law Center describes him as “one of the country’s most successful young white nationalist leaders,” who’s prone to saying things like, “Our dream is a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans.” He rejects the word “racist” because it’s “pejorative,” but “the notion that these people can be equal is not a scientific way of looking at it.”

holy shit

yup, old image--the republicans were looking for a chance to disavow Trump and the pussygrab tape was as good of an excuse as any.

Forgot to add this to earlier ramblings:
The long and short of it is: the majority of them are just white guys who, in the absence of any socially acceptable way to do the normal teenage thing and dip their toes into self-empowerment (cuz they’re ~fucking white males~ obvs), have latched onto the first one to gain a little bit of traction. I mean it's so fucking inevitable, it blows my mind anyone is surprised. Like most people who play around with edgy ideas early in life, the bulk of them will retain anything healthy they get out of it, discard the rest, grow up and come out more mature (and the small percentage that doesn't will turn into the male equivalent of cat ladies). They'll grow up, maybe less left-leaning than some of you would like, but oh well, the pendulum is swinging back.

no one should be allowed on the internet until the age of 21

like, it's bad that these maladjusted adolescents, experiencing romantic frustrations for the first time etc, can so easily get swept up in the redpill world. there has always been misogyny around -- it's always been a thing teen white males would sometimes indulge in, as a phase -- but this ideological misogyny is like, weaponized and it scares me. i'm scared of a lot of things though.

(cuz they’re ~fucking white males~ obvs)

Are you posting from the dystopian feminazi future? What's the coffee like?

didn't realise punksishippies is tyler durden, it makes a lot more sense now

just white guys who, in the absence of any socially acceptable way to do the normal teenage thing and dip their toes into self-empowerment (cuz they’re ~fucking white males~ obvs),

I don't get it, what is it about being a white male that means they can't do the 'normal teenage thing'? Like they can't take drugs because of fussy parents or something?

I am not going to claim any understanding of how to operate in the contemporary world.

But the privileged straight white males in my social circle? Myself included? We got WAY more action by performing SNAGness (wearing flowery shirts, reading Sylvia Plath, listening to the Smiths, giving backrubs) than we would have through machismo.

Is that route no longer open to young men? Or have they considered and rejected it?

Hey, just a heads up. Punksishippies has in a few short months defended Trump from being a racist, along with defences of Varg Vikernes and now Milo, and has complained that nazi music is too difficult to buy. I don't think anyone needs to take him particularly seriously.

no one should be allowed on the internet until the age of 21

Says someone I assumed was 16.

hey punkishippies what's your take on the whole #cancelbella situation

this seems like a valuable moment to interview / chat w/ someone who is clearly sympathetic to the movement if not a member themselves it would suck if ilx did its whole burn the witch thing esp since the poster is being quite polite and laying out their perspective

but yes i'd also like to hear his take on #cancelbella

yes you guys are carrying out important anthropology right now

let's not make fun of the guy who blames the alt-right on contemporary society not allowing white males to live!

u can do what you want but he's being polite so why not just ask him questions + not be rude. we all know that alt-right + sympathizers are probably drek of the earth no one needs to convince anyone of that here and he's not a beloved poster so you don't need to convince him to think correctly. just enjoy the ride.

i'd like to know if all alt-right true believers look like nerds in fedoras irl (like that in-and-out pic suggests) bc that seems like a pretty depressing self-clowning version of masculinity and doesn't have any of the tropes of masculinity you'd think they'd want to revive like athleticism or manual labor or casanovaness etc. it's like they've reinvented the male and he's a 14yo pimply gamer who looks at porn on 4chan.

otm, both posts

this seems like a valuable moment to interview / chat w/ someone who is clearly sympathetic to the movement if not a member themselves it would suck if ilx did its whole burn the witch thing esp since the poster is being quite polite and laying out their perspective

― Mordy

be my guest, but personally i don't feel like alt-righters have exactly been shrinking violets when it comes to expressing themselves. god knows i've tried in the past but i just don't have a lot of skill in talking to ascians.

I don't get why some of these guys are so down on exhibitionist Twitch (a game playing streaming service where you see the player on camera) girls when the guys are so into fanservice in animation, comics and games? Is it the whole "fake geek girl" thing they had with cosplayers?

doesn't have any of the tropes of masculinity you'd think they'd want to revive like athleticism or manual labor or casanovaness etc.

― Mordy, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 17:51

That would require quite a bit more effort.

i didn't know they were. that's weird. here's another alt-right trope i don't get - when they complain that SJW's are ruining television + video games. television and video games are afaict the best they've ever been in my lifetime so how can anyone claim w/ a straight face that they're being ruined? like even if your own metric was ideological and not gameplay related there are so many indie games atm that there are probably more alt-right friendly games than ever before in history. xp

same reason as a section of "music fans" seem to get more worked up about the existence of stuff they don't like than stuff they do?

except unlike most libs he's not a hypocrite and takes it to its logical conclusion

They'll use each other while it's convenient but one of these days they'll see each other for what they really are, bitter enemies.

― punksishippies, Wednesday, 12 October 2016 03:55

I think you might be right about that last part. I could see Milo regretting all his bigging up the alt-right.
But I don't think he's that liberal. He's said that he wants gays to stay outsiders (just not to the extent of the middle east).
I think he's dishonest so it wouldn't surprise me if he's been a hypocrite. He completely changed his tune on gamers and deleted previous tweets when he realised he could use gamergate.

i didn't know they were. that's weird. here's another alt-right trope i don't get - when they complain that SJW's are ruining television + video games.
― Mordy, Wednesday, October 12, 2016 12:02 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe it's because they got older and video games aren't as fun for them anymore and they want to continue being man children

I thought this run down of some of Yiannopoulos' pre-gamergate exploits was interesting

https://maxdunbar.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/milo-yiannopoulous-and-the-kernel/

television and video games are afaict the best they've ever been in my lifetime so how can anyone claim w/ a straight face that they're being ruined?

Because GIRLS are playing them too now. Duh.

"Thanks for ruining shell art!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlGqN3AKOsA

I think it's a good thing for games to be for everyone but when people were complaining about Wii and Nintendo DS ruining everything, there was a small part of me saying "PlayStation made games lamestream, if you're not going to play King Of Fighters, Metal Slug, Secret Of Mana and Castlevania with us you can get the fuck out. Take Call Of Duty, Tombraider, Grand Theft Auto and sports series games and shove them up your ass when you're leaving".
But the whole core vs mainstream/casual arguments never really held up to scrutiny.

lmao @ this turning into a video game thread, of course

I always picture a lot of alt-right guys as a bit jocky. Have the jocks and right wing geeks joined forces?

watched a prescient daria ep last night where jane was dating a "retro" guy who dressed in meticulously accurate '40s wear (inc fedora) and had a bunch of friends who did the same, and daria didn't like the guy because he never shut up about how much more elegant and classy the postwar era was than the filthy and debased present (jane pretended not to like sick sad world for him -- v sad), and when on a double date (retro guy driving) daria finally dropped the "what about segregation" bomb the guy blew up about how she should just wait in the car for "the p.c. police" and went out to do the lindy hop w his weird closet white nationalist 4chan friends, and daria said to her date "i wish the p.c. police WERE here. i bet THEY'D give us a ride." quality lol imo

xp feel like it's specifically not jocks who are probably right-wing in more conventional ways i'm guessing? it seems more like an internet phenomenon