Reveal Your Uncool Conservative Beliefs Here

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Yeah you're wrong about the first one.

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Monday, 17 October 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link

maybe. I'm just not convinced that young children (and to a lesser extent adolescents) are capable of informed consent for medical interventions of that magnitude.

hippie lady from california who loves that god (unregistered), Monday, 17 October 2016 02:45 (seven years ago) link

this is not about what's right or wrong, this is about what's cool

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 17 October 2016 02:51 (seven years ago) link

lol sry I got mad

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Monday, 17 October 2016 03:01 (seven years ago) link

pathetic esquire magazine fanfic at the end is the height of uncool at least

qualx, Monday, 17 October 2016 03:04 (seven years ago) link

The bit about having some interest in/reverence for guns-as-objects has become somewhat more understandable to me when I contemplate my own relationship with guitars. I'm frankly a sucker for gear fetishism.

One can kinda understand how deeply a gun nut might just really get _into_ the history, peculiarities, aesthetic properties, and cultural resonance of a particular piece of equipment. How he might contemplate its power and its resonance, enjoy handling and caring for it, and strive to use it more accurately and maintain it well. (Quite irrespective of its capacity to, y'know, kill people.)

Just as there are those dudes who can glance at a Stratocaster headstock and tell you the year and place of manufacture, based merely on the serial number. People who aren't necessarily even serious musicians, they just love to collect and fondle and admire guitars. "Ah, I can tell that that's a '53; they didn't start using the bent-steel saddles until '54, plus that year's formulation of Fiesta Red is known to fade to pink rather than deepen."

(Or whatever, I'm sure I'm garbling that, but you know the type of knowledge I mean.)

go get your winebox (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 17 October 2016 03:20 (seven years ago) link

I don't really want to wade into a debate about this, but puberty blockers' effects are reversible, and essentially just buy time for adolescents to make their decisions; and going through the wrong puberty as a trans kid can often be extremely painful.

one way street, Monday, 17 October 2016 03:26 (seven years ago) link

My own uncool (or just hypocritical) belief: I do think as a general rule it's better not to ascribe a gender to strangers before they've articulated it themselves, especially because there isn't a consistent code of presentation among nonbinary people; but in my own case, I would pretty much always rather have other people correctly infer my gender than ask me how I identify.

one way street, Monday, 17 October 2016 03:35 (seven years ago) link

people should be allowed to own guns, just not ammunition. Like one day we'll have old cars, too, but you'll only be able to buy gasoline for them with a bunch of annoying paperwork and a trip to the heavily regulated special purpose fuels dispensary. this is not an uncool conservative belief, sorry.

El Tomboto, Monday, 17 October 2016 03:40 (seven years ago) link

i remember that chris rock routine (we don't need gun control, we need bullet control)

6 god none the richer (m bison), Monday, 17 October 2016 03:42 (seven years ago) link

isn't that a chris rock joke lol xp

k3vin k., Monday, 17 October 2016 03:46 (seven years ago) link

guns should be repurposed to shoot cereal IMO

Neanderthal, Monday, 17 October 2016 03:47 (seven years ago) link

I hope it doesn't make me a bad ally, but I find takes like this SO FUCKING EXHAUSTING TO READ

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2016/10/white-feminists-gotta-go-amy-schumer-and-white-womens-foolishness/

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 27 October 2016 14:46 (seven years ago) link

I don't even disagree with her, but it's a combination of the writing style and the immense political weight being put on a fucking music video.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 27 October 2016 15:06 (seven years ago) link

some impressive wokeness one-upmanship in the comments:

I agree with this in large part, but I think that the author's argument is undermined by the lack of nuance relative to racial identification of Schumer and Silverman as white. While I would agree that the colonization of black women's fantasies are activites closely associated with the performance of whiteness, I would enjoy reading a piece that theorizes Schumer's behavior as a reinscription of whitness by a Jewish woman who has taken on the label of white as a means for passing in a largely European Christian nation. Jews pass for white all the time and, by and large, most people consider them white. Most Jews hold and exercise white privilege much of the time, but, again, I think it is important to trace out that what Silverman and Schumer are doing is adopting white racist behavior in ways that have specific dimensions not attended to in this post. I find it deeply disturbing that Schumer has chosen to use her ability to pass as white to this end when she should be thinking about ways to undermine whiteness. I believe that the assimilation of Jews into white America is one of the worst things that has happened to our culture and has led to mindlessly racist humor such as we see here with Schumer.

(worried that rolling my eyes at that is uncool/conservative, idk)

- SOLO - Pink Dolphin, Bubbling Cassina (frog), Indris, Monkeys, Tiger (soref), Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:16 (seven years ago) link

the assimilation of Jews into white America is one of the worst things that has happened to our culture and has led to mindlessly racist humor such as we see here with Schumer

can you imagine thinking like this?

harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:22 (seven years ago) link

i would honestly prefer that sort of nuanced, ambivalent thinking to the sort of stuff that dominates in the current twitter hot-take wokeconomy, where people form conclusions first and then figure out why as they fill up their word count

k3vin k., Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:26 (seven years ago) link

WHITE PEOPLE SUCK -- MY TAKE

k3vin k., Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:26 (seven years ago) link

I get into a lot of conversations about this, and what a coworker explained to me is that language that used to be reserved for academic thinking — "black bodies," "misogynoir," "heteronormative," — has filtered into the writing of the daily thinkpiece grind and the occasional Katy Perry tweet

I think to get the daily dose of 10 grafs, a statement that any liberal with a working brain can agree with (ie, "Amy Schumer shouldn't be so careless in satirizing black protest") turns into a term paper ("This narrow and basic conception of feminism patronizingly tells black women and other women of color to “lean in” while categorically ignoring the structural impact of racism, sexism, xenophobia, cis-sexism, homophobia, hyperincarceration and classism in our lives.")

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:28 (seven years ago) link

i agree w/ much of the recent posts itt

marcos, Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link

*many

marcos, Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:34 (seven years ago) link

i get the desire to explain issues in this manner and it doesn't put me off, but it makes me cringe bc i know it's going to make people who need to be reached just shut down and stop listening.

nomar, Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:35 (seven years ago) link

I kind of checked out of reading this stuff a couple years ago. my sympathies go out to those in working media who still have to read it on a daily basis

flopson, Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:38 (seven years ago) link

agree w/that take whiney.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:39 (seven years ago) link

whiney otm

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:40 (seven years ago) link

Also:

This narrow and basic conception of feminism patronizingly tells black women and other women of color to “lean in” while categorically ignoring the structural impact of racism, sexism, xenophobia, cis-sexism, homophobia, hyperincarceration and classism in our lives.

It is why Donald Trump would heartily win the presidential election if only white women voted, but “women” are being named as the constituency that “will defeat Donald Trump on election day.”

No, narrow conceptions of feminism are not why Trump is winning among white women. Nope.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link

er, actually may be misreading that sentence nm

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:42 (seven years ago) link

Still, I doubt Trump is winning the popular vote among white women and the results there probably have a lot more to do with the electoral college and the awkward conceit of the exercise.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:44 (seven years ago) link

does it really need to be said that "a belief that is not in the 95th percentile of performative wokeitude" is not the same thing as "a conservative belief"?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:44 (seven years ago) link

racism, sexism, xenophobia, cis-sexism, homophobia, hyperincarceration and classism

is there a way to write intersectionally without having to list every intersection every time?

flopson, Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link

lol eephus

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:45 (seven years ago) link

the infinite "wokeness" outbidding in leftist discourse is sort of a primary feature of the left since the enlightenment, but the absence of any specific situational or pragmatic context in online world makes it seem especially silly and irrelevant. The whole "why should we care about this" part is implicitly answered by "because people will click on it." Which is to say it's a fancy form of bitchy gossip devoid of actual political relevance.

And to walk back my uncool conservatism I think there's a parallel development on the right with regard to how extreme and "pure" your anti-liberalism is which reaches its logical conclusion in paranoia and the half-baked talk of revolution.

ryan, Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:53 (seven years ago) link

yeah i think you have the two "pure" extremes reacting against one another and tugging the moderates away from each other, like the pure hatred of liberalism leads to the unforgiving shaming of anything not purely woke and liberal and vice versa.

nomar, Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:56 (seven years ago) link

I've tried to argue elsewhere that what we've been seeing is a steady denigration of "the political" understood as the accommodation of competing value systems and replaced it with a kind of moral absolutism on all sides.

ryan, Thursday, 27 October 2016 16:59 (seven years ago) link

if occasional quiet eye-rolling at wokeaholics is an uncool conservative belief, i guess i have it. other than that i'm mostly ignoring my latent uncool conservative beliefs atm.

mystery local boy (rushomancy), Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link

Imo there's been a lot of compromise on both sides in closing the gap between normal liberals and those making calls for 'extreme woke purity', in the past few years. or I've just started ignoring the latter more lol

flopson, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:07 (seven years ago) link

xp that's a tough one. marxists notwithstanding, i think the whole "working hard is the mark of an exemplary human" is some conservative bullshit. tune in and drop out, imo

brimstead, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:09 (seven years ago) link

woking hard

Mordy, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:53 (seven years ago) link

way out of my depth, sorry for that post

brimstead, Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:57 (seven years ago) link

that ain't wokin, that's the way you do it

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 27 October 2016 17:59 (seven years ago) link

just add hoisin sauce

F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 27 October 2016 18:02 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

last post feels so long ago

sarahell, Sunday, 13 November 2016 01:50 (seven years ago) link

don't blame me i voted for hoisin sauce

qualx, Sunday, 13 November 2016 21:07 (seven years ago) link

i cling desperately to my wok, don't take my wok away from me

brimstead, Monday, 14 November 2016 01:07 (seven years ago) link

don't wok away, in silence

sarahell, Monday, 14 November 2016 01:16 (seven years ago) link

I don't want anymore green places to be built over. I hope it isn't necessary to accommodate everyone with homes.

Metallic vehicles generally look like shit.

Community is important but a lot of socialists and communists who talk about it creep me out (creepy communism). That horrible "brothers and sisters" unearned friendliness that reeks of falseness. "Come and link arms and we shall sing and dance on tables like hobbits". People who act like they want to live inside bland communist propaganda art.
I don't much like the idea of knowing much about most of my neighbours and I think a lot of people need more distance sometimes.
Alone time seems to have become underrated.

Acronyms should be used very sparingly.

Pop star/celebrity images and memes on social media are vulgar.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 00:50 (seven years ago) link

I hope it isn't necessary to accommodate everyone with homes.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 00:50

I mean I hope it isn't necessary for their homes to be built over green areas.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 00:53 (seven years ago) link

It's not; are you lobbying your local municipality for drastic upzoning of single family housing in the next fifty years?

slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 02:01 (seven years ago) link

Haven't read all the above, but...

* tattoos almost invariably ugly and stupid-looking
* professional childcare is bad for children under kindergarten age

I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 02:32 (seven years ago) link


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